I asked a related question here: <http://www.permies.com/bb/index.php?topic=47284>.
I don't think anybody is getting into small-scale organic production, permaculture, etc. in order to get rich. Though, like Paul, I will be very happy if somebody can pull it off. For me, the interest in figures is a matter of planning.
I'd love to hear if you turn up any other information in your search!
Morganic Farms wrote:
Thanks, so far, for your replies and input.
Getting rich is not my motivation. I am interested in establishing a resource that can continue to produce a yield indefinitely after an initial investment of capitol with minimal maintenance costs. My motivation is to feed people.
An acqaintance of mine owns 150,000+ acres in Utah. The current operations are, in my opinion, being mismanaged and much of the land is not even being utilized. My friend doesn't mind too much though: 1. because the entire thing is less than 1% of his net worth 2. because the farm gets close to breaking even each year and 3. he just has to show that he is using the water in order to keep the water rights. I want to put together a proposal to implement some permaculture design principles on this land.
Can you imagine a food forest that is 200+ sqare miles growing in the middle of the desert in Utah? This is what I first envisioned after watching a youtube video of Geoff Lawton in 'Greening the Desert'. The line, "You can solve all of the world's problems in a garden." struck me. An entrepreneur solves problems. People are unemployed and can't feed their families. That's a problem. This could be an amazing example of permaculture's viability which would help persuade farmers to move away from traditional techniques and start a global trend toward permaculture.
You should check out Darren Doherty and his free spreadsheets found here: http://www.australiafelixpermaculture.blogspot.com/
For large-scale permaculture works he is one of the most experienced. I suggest emailing him or calling to pick his mind once you are further along with your planning.
I love the large scale approach to your thinking. For me, I see money as energy, and wasted energy is everywhere; military spending, corporations legal tax evasions, and im sure i dont need to go on, but it seems we need to establish regenerative landscapes as fast and as many as possible to both provide an alternative working model to the status quo and, given that trees and ecosystems take time to develop, to get it started NOW!
I love home-scale permaculture but large-scale is a matter of literally growing the evolution of human consciousness. That is what we need and we ought not to wait for permission either:)
Now, let me climb on down off my high horse and say good luck!
And thanks Paul for running this forum so dern well!
... With the survivalist instincts of the local Mormons, each of the parcels could be sold for the equivilant value of the entire parcel today.....
as the climate should be about the same this would be a good working template no.
Have you contacted those folks I linked to above? What were their responses to your questions regarding yields and inputs?
In Hawaii 3/4 of an acre can graze a dairy cow, here in Kasas you woul dneed 3 acres and you would also have to buy a lot of hay: numbers from one area will simply not apply to another area!