Forums:

James' log cabin build

James Freyr

steward

Posts: 4837

Location: West Tennessee

2438

I like...

posted 6 years ago

11
Number of slices to send:

Optional 'thank-you' note:

Send

I've been building a little log cabin this year so come along with me as I post about this project from start to finish. I briefly mentioned what I was doing over in the log cabin day thread here: https://permies.com/t/87923/Log-Cabin-Day-Jun#722683 and I was asked to keep the folks here at permies updated, and I'm home today so I thought I would start this thread. I'm not felling trees, debarking and hewing and stacking logs. Not that sort of log cabin, but I do fantasize about doing that. That's the kind of thing I would enjoy doing. My wife and I purchased some farmland last summer to go pursue our homesteading dreams, and we've both wanted a log cabin, and since the farmland had no livable dwelling on it (there are two old cabins on it with roofs and walls caving in) we met with a few log cabin companies, and settled on an Honest Abe log cabin. We met with a sales rep almost a year ago now, and drew on a scrap piece of paper what we were looking for, and they came back with a rendering, which we liked and after 6 or 7 renditions they proceeded to manufacture the home. It's a CAD drawn, machine cut house. Everything fits together with little guesswork.

I figured I'll start from the beginning, with groundbreaking. When I went back to pick the photos I'd share here, I got a chuckle out of this first one. It's so typical of construction: one guy doing the work and three watching. We excavated for a full basement in the second pic, and the third is digging the footer. There's a 24 inch bucket on that excavator, and the footing is about 18-20 inches deep. I then put three courses of #5 (5/8 inch) rebar in the footer set on three inch chairs.

Feel free to ask questions. I'm happy to answer them if I can.

IMG_4130.jpg

IMG_4241.jpg

IMG_4261.jpg

DSC_0045.jpg

"Study books and observe nature; if they do not agree, throw away the books." ~ William A. Albrecht

James Freyr

steward

Posts: 4837

Location: West Tennessee

2438

I like...

posted 6 years ago

Number of slices to send:

Optional 'thank-you' note:

Send

The next step in the process is pouring a footer. Due to the location of the homesite and the topography of the land, this meant a pumping truck. I thought that was one of the coolest things I've seen in a long time. I still think it's super cool that they figured out a way to pump rocks. Anyway, close to thirty yards of a 5000psi mix went in that footer. While the mud was workable, vertical pieces of #4 (1/2 inch) rebar were set every 16 inches where the block will be stacked. The block was delivered, and it being springtime, it rained. A lot. I had to pump the water off the footer, pressure wash the silt off so the block layers could start. I actually did that twice. Once in anticipation of the block laying start date, and again after they called to say they were running behind on their current job and it would be a couple more days. So it rained again in those couple days. Like another 2 inch downpour.

IMG_4350.jpg

IMG_4403.jpg

IMG_4411.jpg

DSC_0062.jpg

IMG_4432.jpg

"Study books and observe nature; if they do not agree, throw away the books." ~ William A. Albrecht

James Freyr

steward

Posts: 4837

Location: West Tennessee

2438

I like...

posted 6 years ago

Number of slices to send:

Optional 'thank-you' note:

Send

With the footer cleaned, the block layers got to work. I have a lot of admiration and respect for these guys. They've been stacking block and laying brick for 30 years, and they made this look real easy. They stacked almost 1400 block in two and a half days. Not only is it plumb and level, what I find truly amazing is it's square. I mean it's perfectly square. That wall is exactly 51'2" corner to corner, not even off 1/16th. So about the block and the foundation walls, I chose to have every other course be knock-out blocks, which has little rectangular 2 inch deep pieces on the end and middle that are knocked out so rebar can be horizontally laid in the wall, which will be filled with concrete at a later date. I have #4 rebar again horizontally through every course of knock out block. I then inserted sticks of #4 rebar vertically in every other hollow block cell, thus giving me a 16" square grid of rebar throughout the walls. The pumping truck came back and we filled the entire block foundation walls with another 5000psi mix. The reason I'm going through such lengths for this foundation is partly because I only get to do this once and I can't go back and do this later, and mostly because of the type of soil the cabin is being built on. Using the USGS free web soil survey, I learned that the type of soil I'm building on, which is called Shubuta by the way, is expansive, meaning it expands and contracts and requires measures to be taken into account to build on. One of my neighbors stopped by and hemmed and hawed about me building a basement and said I can't do it because the soil will bust the walls. He cited his cracked foundation, stair-stepping cracks in his brick house, and cracked sheetrock inside his house. I felt his pain for the problems he has with his home but I just smiled and explained what I was doing to prevent such events. He had his doubts my efforts will work. More on dealing with this expansive soil in another post.

DSC_0090.jpg

IMG_4477.jpg

DSC_0209.jpg

"Study books and observe nature; if they do not agree, throw away the books." ~ William A. Albrecht

Bryan Paul

Posts: 32

Location: Utah

I like...

posted 6 years ago

1
Number of slices to send:

Optional 'thank-you' note:

Send

I love the look of log homes too. But the expense and maintenance of a conventional log home is pretty prohibitive to a lot of people. I found this site a long time ago that advocates owner-built, butt and pass method cabins. If nothing else I hope it gives people wanting to go the log cabin route some ideas.

https://www.buildloghomes.org

Kyle Neath

gardener

Posts: 522

Location: Sierra Nevadas, CA 6400'

201

I like...

posted 6 years ago

1
Number of slices to send:

Optional 'thank-you' note:

Send

Love this! It looks like you're doing a good bit of work yourself, did you hire out an engineer to draw up plans for you? Or is your day job something related to construction? I grew up helping my dad with construction, but mostly decks / repairs / internal wall type stuff, so I've always been intimidated by pouring footers and other big work like that. Ironically, I went to college to civil engineering, and while I can describe in great detail how a complex concrete beam will fail, it doesn't help me much with keeping up to codes & current construction practices.

Kyle's Projects & Adventures

James Freyr

steward

Posts: 4837

Location: West Tennessee

2438

I like...

posted 6 years ago

Number of slices to send:

Optional 'thank-you' note:

Send

Hey thanks Kyle. I'm trying to do as much as I can that I'm comfortable with but also get this home done in a timely manner so my wife and I can move in hopefully October. I'm doing simple things like foundation waterproofing, plumbing, paint & stain, the floors & tile and interior finishes. I'm also putting a standing seam metal roof on it next week, with some help of course. They're pretty straight-forward to install, and the guy from the roofing company will be on site with the machine that rolls the panels to the right length for us (my brother, myself and a couple other hired hands) to install. I'm not an engineer, but my day job used to be remodeling houses, which evolved into just doing hardwood floors and tile now, which my heart is no longer in as I desire to do agriculture and animal husbandry. Honest Abe Log Home company has engineers on staff and one of them drew the plans. I have hired a contractor who does log homes to guide me through this process and coordinate bringing all the different tradesmen to the table to do their jobs. While also not an engineer, he has been building for close to four decades and is familiar with Tennessee codes and such. For example, if memory serves me correct, a 16-inch footer 12 inches deep with two courses of #4 rebar is code for a residential footer. The only reason this footer is 24 inches wide is because that happened to be the size of the bucket on the track-hoe belonging to the guy we hired to dig the basement. It was my choice to put three courses of #5 rebar in the footer. I've learned that just because something is "codes" doesn't necessarily mean it's sufficient or right (that's my opinion, and my contractor has a story of trusses that were engineered and built to codes that failed and sent some people to the hospital), but I tend to over-engineer things that I get my hands on. Another example is the psi of the concrete. Codes requires 3000psi I believe, for footers. I thought "if 3000psi is sufficient, 5000psi is better" so I paid the extra like $18 per yard for the harder concrete. Same thing with the concrete going in the block wall. So far a cost difference of less than $100 for the larger rebar in the footer, and about $500 for the concrete for the footer, it to me seemed to be money well spent to beef things up. For things like footers and foundations, I really only get one chance to do this right, so I was happy with the extra expense for a foundation that I know is overkill but also won't give me trouble decades down the road.

"Study books and observe nature; if they do not agree, throw away the books." ~ William A. Albrecht

James Freyr

steward

Posts: 4837

Location: West Tennessee

2438

I like...

posted 6 years ago

Number of slices to send:

Optional 'thank-you' note:

Send

So my basement has a concrete floor. There are also five posts going down the middle that hold up a joist beam that runs down the middle of the subfloor. Those posts need their own footer to bear the point load, but I also have interest in having a dry basement, and it's one of the promises I made to my wife since she grew up in a house with a basement that got wet or flooded every time it rained. She wanted me to assure her that no water will come in the basement. I decided to put a drain pipe down the middle under the gravel, so if water does enter under the pad, it has a way to get out. More on this later with foundation waterproofing, but these 5 footers for the posts also come into play here. So in the third image of the 2nd post above, you'll notice a footer going down the middle with five spots of four sticks of rebar sticking up through the concrete. I made simple wooden square forms to set on those sections of rebar and mixed sacks of concrete in a bucket and poured these little footers (see second picture). The top of these footers will be level with the bed of gravel that the concrete pad will be poured over, which allows the vapor barrier which goes over the gravel and footers to be continuous and unbroken. (Oh yeah, after my 5 footers were done, and before I brought the gravel in, it rained. again. It was a swimming pool.) This allows me to pour a single monolithic pad that once the five steel posts are set on, their load is transferred through the pad onto the 5 square footers going down the middle. The 4 inch basement pad was poured over a 15-mil vapor barrier that has panels of 6-gauge wire mesh set on 2-inch chairs. There is also an expansion joint going around the perimeter so the pad is independent from and does not connect to or attach to the block wall. This will allow the foundation wall to settle without taking the pad with it and crack it. The pad was poured the same day we filled the walls.

DSC_0129.jpg

IMG_4481.jpg

IMG_4503.jpg

DSC_0145.jpg

DSC_0199.jpg

DSC_0215.jpg

DSC_0227.jpg

"Study books and observe nature; if they do not agree, throw away the books." ~ William A. Albrecht

James Freyr

steward

Posts: 4837

Location: West Tennessee

2438

I like...

posted 6 years ago

Number of slices to send:

Optional 'thank-you' note:

Send

My wife, having grown up in a house that had a damp basement that also had standing water on the floor after rains asked me "will our basement be dry?" and I said yes, and then she asked "you promise?", and I said yes again without really thinking this through. Not having ever done this before, and I myself also wanting a dry basement, I decided to err on the side of caution and go maybe just a little overboard on waterproofing. In my online research, I learned that there is damp-proofing and there is water-proofing, and they are very different. Damp proofing is intended to just block moisture, water proofing is just that, zero water entry and holding back standing water, or what they call hydrostatic pressure. Since my basement walls are made of concrete block, which is basically a rigid sponge, I brushed on two coats of a cement based water proofing, designed to fill the pores of the block and bond to the block since it's also cement, and it has a water permeability rate of 0% and resists hydrostatic pressure to a height of 8 feet. Over that, I rolled on a water-based waterproofing sealer, which dries to what's basically a single rubber membrane, and also resists hydrostatic pressure to a height of 8 feet. This was a little tricky for me, as there are a lot of terribly toxic solvent based asphalt goos made for this purpose, but I found a water-based polymer which was my least offensive option. I chose to do this after thinking that the cement waterproofer has no flex, and if a hairline crack develops, the rubber membrane will flex and span any tiny cracks that may develop from foundation settling. Over those two I hung a dimpled pvc membrane, which allows for an air-gap against the rubber membrane on one side allowing any water entry a one-way trip to the bottom where there is also a drain tile around the perimeter of the foundation to allow rain water that collects at the bottom of the foundation a way to get out. The entire foundation is backfilled with gravel which greatly helps with drainage, but the real reason for it is to act as relief for soil expansion to prevent cracked foundation walls.

DSC_0246.jpg

IMG_4560.jpg

DSC_0296.jpg

DSC_0276.jpg

"Study books and observe nature; if they do not agree, throw away the books." ~ William A. Albrecht

James Freyr

steward

Posts: 4837

Location: West Tennessee

2438

I like...

posted 6 years ago

2
Number of slices to send:

Optional 'thank-you' note:

Send

After about 9 weeks of foundation work, the cabin started to go up. The first picture shows those red steel posts sitting on the concrete pad holding up the subfloor, with that load transferred through the pad onto those little square footers I made earlier. A 4 inch thick concrete pad is not designed to hold that kind of point load on such a small footprint from those steel posts, and without those footers beneath the pad to transfer that weight, the pad would eventually crack and start pushing through into the gravel below. Hopefully I did everything correct and the pad doesn't crack around those posts.

As I mentioned earlier, this home comes as a kit. All the logs are precut and milled, and all the necessary materials for a dried in structure are provided.

IMG_4618.jpg

DSC_0377.jpg

DSC_0379.jpg

DSC_0395.jpg

IMG_4836.jpg

IMG_4896.jpg

IMG_4916.jpg

DSC_0408.jpg

"Study books and observe nature; if they do not agree, throw away the books." ~ William A. Albrecht

John C Daley

pollinator

Posts: 5347

Location: Bendigo , Australia

477

I like...

posted 6 years ago

Number of slices to send:

Optional 'thank-you' note:

Send

Do you have anything between the logs?

John Daley Bendigo, Australia The Enemy of progress is the hope of a perfect plan
Benefits of rainfall collection https://permies.com/t/88043/benefits-rainfall-collection
GOOD DEBT/ BAD DEBT https://permies.com/t/179218/mortgages-good-debt-bad-debt

James Freyr

steward

Posts: 4837

Location: West Tennessee

2438

I like...

posted 6 years ago

Number of slices to send:

Optional 'thank-you' note:

Send

Hey John, not yet but the gaps in between each log will be chinked both inside and out.

"Study books and observe nature; if they do not agree, throw away the books." ~ William A. Albrecht

John C Daley

pollinator

Posts: 5347

Location: Bendigo , Australia

477

I like...

posted 6 years ago

Number of slices to send:

Optional 'thank-you' note:

Send

Chincked?

James Freyr

steward

Posts: 4837

Location: West Tennessee

2438

I like...

posted 6 years ago

Number of slices to send:

Optional 'thank-you' note:

Send

Yes, chinked. It's any material used to fill the gaps between logs. 200 years ago, it was often moss, then people started using mortar. Nowadays they have a chinking kinda similar to a caulk; it has some elasticity to it and won't crack. It will look something very similar to the picture below. It's the white stuff going in between the logs:

DSC01925.jpg

"Study books and observe nature; if they do not agree, throw away the books." ~ William A. Albrecht

Tatiana Trunilina

Posts: 43

Location: Central Texas

I like...

posted 6 years ago

Number of slices to send:

Optional 'thank-you' note:

Send

What about electricity? Plumbing? Sewage pipes? Insulation?

James Freyr

steward

Posts: 4837

Location: West Tennessee

2438

I like...

posted 6 years ago

Number of slices to send:

Optional 'thank-you' note:

Send

Tatiana Trunilina wrote:What about electricity? Plumbing? Sewage pipes? Insulation?

Hey Tatiana! Stay tuned, those posts are coming soon. The electricians finished the rough-in on Thursday and I've been doing all the plumbing, and hope to finish that this Tuesday. My plumbing got put on hold because I've been putting a metal roof on the house.

As far as insulation goes, the exterior log walls are the "insulation". While it's hard to establish an R-value (industry standard for a materials ability to transfer heat) for logs, logs have something that most traditional home walls don't and it's referred to as thermal mass. They sort of "hold their cold" or "hold their heat". Overall, it costs less to heat and cool a log home than a traditional stick framed house. The attic will be insulated like a traditional home, and I'm looking for the most ethical way to do that and I'm leaning towards cellulose, or recycled blue-jeans, as opposed to the pink fiberglass that is so commonly used. I haven't fully researched my options on that yet as I'm not near that stage of the build.

For sewage, a traditional septic system was installed early on while excavation was underway.

"Study books and observe nature; if they do not agree, throw away the books." ~ William A. Albrecht

James Freyr

steward

Posts: 4837

Location: West Tennessee

2438

I like...

posted 6 years ago

2
Number of slices to send:

Optional 'thank-you' note:

Send

During this process, not hardly two days after the build crew left the scene with all their activity and noise making, did a breeding pair of barn swallows build a nest in my basement. Because of my nesting friends, I've been unable to install my basement door, which is really no big deal. There's a little roof overhang over the doorway so no rain is coming in. So as the weeks have gone by, I've spent a lot of time in the basement working and have watched the pair of swallows enter and leave. Then the eggs hatched and I could hear the tiny babies make a racket everytime one of the parents flew in with a meal, but otherwise they were silent during their mom & dads absence. As the weeks went by the sound and loudness of their cheeps changed and then I could hear them periodically flutter their little wings. On this past Monday the 16th of July, I was working on plumbing in the basement, and half the day passed before I realized the swallows hadn't flown in nor had I heard cheeps from the fledglings. I got the step ladder and carefully inspected the nest and the little swallows had grown up and flew away to go live their little birdie lives. There was one unhatched egg in the nest. I removed the nest now that its inhabitants have vacated the premises, and I can now finally install my basement door.

IMG_4967.JPG

IMG_5065.JPG

"Study books and observe nature; if they do not agree, throw away the books." ~ William A. Albrecht

James Freyr

steward

Posts: 4837

Location: West Tennessee

2438

I like...

posted 6 years ago

Number of slices to send:

Optional 'thank-you' note:

Send

I did the plumbing in the cabin and decided to hire electricians. It took me about 10 days working alone to plumb the drain/waste/vent and sweat the copper water lines, and two electricians spent about 4 days doing the rough-in. I watched what they did and figured if I did what they did, it would've taken me like two or three weeks. I understand plumbing and electrical, but it's not something I do all day every day, so I'm slow. I'm happy with the work the electricians did and hiring them helped save time and keep things on track for hopefully moving in october. The electricians will come back for the final and install all the outlets, switches, lights & ceiling fans after I have all the walls closed up and ceiling in. Pulling the wire for the interior partition walls is essentially the same as a stick framed house, but the log walls are a little different. Wire has to be run in a round-about way to get to the boxes.

IMG_4992.jpg

IMG_5041.jpg

IMG_5039.jpg

IMG_5049.jpg

IMG_5050.jpg

IMG_5045.JPG

"Study books and observe nature; if they do not agree, throw away the books." ~ William A. Albrecht

James Freyr

steward

Posts: 4837

Location: West Tennessee

2438

I like...

posted 6 years ago

2
Number of slices to send:

Optional 'thank-you' note:

Send

With the cabin dried in, we finally got a roof on. It was difficult to find roofing companies that were a) available with only a few weeks lead time and not booked through the fall and b) weren't charging an arm & a leg to install a roof. We never found a roofing company complying with the latter. So, we put the roof on ourselves. We found the metal companies that the roofers buy their material from and just went straight to the source. They brought the rolling machine out on site and rolled all the panels for the roof. For labor, my wife was there, my brother came to help and my contractor pulled 4 guys off of other jobs. The day before we started the roof, I was under the impression that it's simply starting at one end and going across the roof to the other side. I mean, shit it can't be that difficult, right? I'm thinking with 7 people we'll knock this out and we'll be standing back with our hands on our hips admiring a job well done by 5 o'clock. Yeah right. Well, it is simple, but I didn't know every single panel get's trimmed and special cuts & bends on the bottom edge where they hook onto the drip edge on the facia. There's special trimming and special pieces where the 3:12 pitch porch roofs meet the 8:12 pitch roof over the attic. Oh and the guy that rolled all the panels made them a little too long, so they all had to be trimmed to length. ugh. Being a circus crew that had never done this before it took us three and a half days, but I saved $10,000 in labor. I now have an accurate understanding of why roofers charge so much to install a roof. Dang it's a ton of work, on precarious slopes, and if you drop something like a tape measure, it's no longer at your feet.

DSC_0485.jpg

IMG_5088.jpg

IMG_5105.JPG

IMG_5113.JPG

IMG_5184.jpg

"Study books and observe nature; if they do not agree, throw away the books." ~ William A. Albrecht

James Freyr

steward

Posts: 4837

Location: West Tennessee

2438

I like...

posted 6 years ago

1
Number of slices to send:

Optional 'thank-you' note:

Send

Aside from the roof being installed this week, the heat & air guys showed up and installed the HVAC system. Not too much to write about here as I really didn't have any involvement other than agreeing to the equipment. Too bad there's no electricity in the house yet. Some days I could really go for some a/c after working in this southern July heat.

IMG_5181.jpg

IMG_5174.jpg

"Study books and observe nature; if they do not agree, throw away the books." ~ William A. Albrecht

Scott Foster

pollinator

Posts: 888

Location: 6a

283

I like...

posted 6 years ago

1
Number of slices to send:

Optional 'thank-you' note:

Send

Perfect! Looks like you did some quality work.

James Freyr

steward

Posts: 4837

Location: West Tennessee

2438

I like...

posted 6 years ago

Number of slices to send:

Optional 'thank-you' note:

Send

Scott Foster wrote:Perfect! Looks like you did some quality work.

Thanks Scott. I've had a lot of help and I try, but I've certainly made some mistakes and an absolute blunder. They're nothing too terribly critical and I can laugh about them now. It seems to be what happens to me when I do things I've never done before and learn as I go. I tell myself it just adds "character" :). I'll share some of my errors with some new upcoming posts when I get some time, which I don't seem to have enough of these days. Been camping at the build site 5 days a week trying to maximize the work I can do during daylight hours and hopefully finish before winter.

"Study books and observe nature; if they do not agree, throw away the books." ~ William A. Albrecht

James Freyr

steward

Posts: 4837

Location: West Tennessee

2438

I like...

posted 6 years ago

Number of slices to send:

Optional 'thank-you' note:

Send

Here's a quick pic of some progress for those who are following along. My brother and I got the cabin stained over the last couple weeks.

DSC_0045.jpg

"Study books and observe nature; if they do not agree, throw away the books." ~ William A. Albrecht

James Freyr

steward

Posts: 4837

Location: West Tennessee

2438

I like...

posted 6 years ago

3
Number of slices to send:

Optional 'thank-you' note:

Send

My brother and I just finished staining & chinking the exterior of the cabin over labor day weekend. It took the two of us the month of August working mostly sunup to sundown five days a week to accomplish this with the chinking part being the most time consuming and tedious of the tasks. We're rather pleased with the results if I must say so myself :) I purchased a little airless paint sprayer to apply the stain the clear coat and some back brushing ensured a uniform appearance. The chinking material is very similar to creamy peanut butter in viscosity and spreadability. It's the white stuff in between the logs in the pictures. It came in 5 gallon buckets and we started off applying it with bulk loading caulk guns. We would unscrew the nozzle on the caulk gun, insert into the bucket, pull back the lever to load the caulk gun, screw on the nozzle and apply. That process took some effort to load those guns and slowed us down. About half way through chinking the cabin we tried just using putty knives to scoop from the buckets and apply to the joints in between the logs, and that was easier and saved us a little time too. Now it's time to move indoors to start the same process. We will again be using the sprayer to apply the stain and clear coat before installing the windows and doors so we don't have to mask those off.

DSC_0138.jpg

DSC_0117.jpg

"Study books and observe nature; if they do not agree, throw away the books." ~ William A. Albrecht

Brian Rodgers

pollinator

Posts: 340

Location: northeastern New Mexico

I like...

posted 6 years ago

1
Number of slices to send:

Optional 'thank-you' note:

Send

Wow! The chinking really adds a stunning effect to the cabin exterior. As I read along yesterday and today I was amazed at how when you put the roof on the scale of the project came to light. I thought to myself when you were first digging the basement, "wow, this is a little cabin?" "It seemed colossal!"
Excellent project, beautifully executed.
P.S. Doh! Now I see why I thought that it was giagantic, lol!
Brian

Little-cabin-little-equipment-too.jpg

"People get out your way, when you're on fire". Richard Prior

Scott Foster

pollinator

Posts: 888

Location: 6a

283

I like...

posted 6 years ago

1
Number of slices to send:

Optional 'thank-you' note:

Send

She is a beauty!

James Freyr

steward

Posts: 4837

Location: West Tennessee

2438

I like...

posted 6 years ago

2
Number of slices to send:

Optional 'thank-you' note:

Send

Hey Brian & Scott, thanks for the compliments! It's been quite an undertaking, sometimes wondering what I've gotten myself into. I've realized that our October move in date is unrealistic and my wife and I have tossed that out the window. It's difficult for me to project how long things will take, so instead of setting a target move in date, we're just going to move in whenever it's done. I hope that's before the end of the year.

"Study books and observe nature; if they do not agree, throw away the books." ~ William A. Albrecht

Brian Rodgers

pollinator

Posts: 340

Location: northeastern New Mexico

I like...

posted 6 years ago

1
Number of slices to send:

Optional 'thank-you' note:

Send

It's difficult for me to project how long things will take, so instead of setting a target move in date, we're just going to move in whenever it's done. I hope that's before the end of the year.

Smart move.
This is really the only way to realistically think about this

"People get out your way, when you're on fire". Richard Prior

Erica Colmenares

pollinator

Posts: 256

Location: Charlotte, Tennessee

I like...

posted 6 years ago

1
Number of slices to send:

Optional 'thank-you' note:

Send

I'm glad I checked back in on this thread. Things are looking really good! I'm impressed at how much of the work you're doing yourself. My husband was pleased to see an AC unit ;-)

Middle Tennessee - zone 7a

Mike Barkley

gardener & hugelmaster

Posts: 3694

Location: Gulf of Mexico cajun zone 8

1970

I like...

posted 6 years ago

1
Number of slices to send:

Optional 'thank-you' note:

Send

Very nice cabin James. I couldn't help but laugh at the comments about dry basement & the drain. I once worked for a (very well known) company that built a multi-million dollar expansion to their facility. It had a basement for piping, wiring, support equipment, etc. The basement floor was sloped towards the center from all directions in case of a leak. Before construction was complete there was a large acid spill due to a worker plugging a pipe with a rubber glove then forgetting to remove it. Acid flooded the basement. That's when it was discovered that the drain was about a foot above the low point in the basement. HUGE toxic mess.

Argue for your limitations and they are yours forever.

PEP - BB10 Badge (verified skill)
Skill verified by Mike Haasl

gardening - sand badge (verified skill)
Skill verified by Mike Haasl

Food Prep and Preservation - air badge (verified skill)
Skill verified by Mike Haasl

round wood woodworking - air badge (verified skill)
Skill verified by Mike Haasl

earthworks - air badge (verified skill)
Skill verified by Mike Haasl

homesteading - air badge (verified skill)
Skill verified by Mike Haasl

James Freyr

steward

Posts: 4837

Location: West Tennessee

2438

I like...

posted 6 years ago

Number of slices to send:

Optional 'thank-you' note:

Send

Hey Erica & Mike, thanks for the kind words. We're getting there, one week at a time. It's slow going and it feels like I have seven things that need to be done yesterday. It is nice though getting some big things done that yield visible results that look good. I'll talk about these in the next post!

"Study books and observe nature; if they do not agree, throw away the books." ~ William A. Albrecht

James Freyr

steward

Posts: 4837

Location: West Tennessee

2438

I like...

posted 6 years ago

2
Number of slices to send:

Optional 'thank-you' note:

Send

It’s been a while since I’ve posted anything here and thought I’d try to get this a little more up to date. In September, my brother and I worked on the interior, installing log “siding” on a partition wall to give it a log appearance instead of opting to have actual logs as it cost a lot less. We also sanded, stained and clear coated the interior log walls. We installed bats of insulation in the interior walls to help make for a more quiet home.

While I’m talking about insulation, I really wanted to use something like a cellulose insulation, but here’s whats been frustrating for my wife and I as we build this home. The eco, planet friendly, post-consumer content products cost more than regular very common products, and the insulation is a good example. The cellulose kind costs 2.5x more than fiberglass. As a consumer who wants to use eco friendly products, sometimes they’re cost prohibitive. I wish we had a bottomless bucket of money to do whatever with, but the reality is we don’t, and we have a budget we need to adhere to, so fiberglass was used. In some places we are able to afford planet friendly options, and others not so much. I guess we just have to pick our battles.

Much to our surprise and enjoyment, the land that my wife and I purchased last summer came with two old dilapidated cabins on them. We were able to recover wood from these old cabins and use it in our home. We love the appearance of old barn wood, and we also like the idea of taking something old and using it in something new. You know, repurposing, or is it up-cycling? One picture below has some of this barn wood in it. It’s tongue & groove poplar that was originally installed with square nails, with these cool dark stains in it from the nail heads where it got rained on. I think the square nails kinda dates this particular lumber to 1900-1930’s, but I don’t think it’s any earlier as it’s sawmill lumber. More lumber from those cabins, and some other wood I reclaimed from two barns will be going in some other rooms, and I’ll post some pics of that when it’s installed.

Just this past week at the start of October, we’ve been installing tongue & groove eastern white pine on the ceiling. We’re going to leave this unstained to reflect more light so the home doesn’t get too dark inside. One picture of the ceiling has some blue tape and string on it that we’re using to align spots for small lights & where ceiling beams will be in the living room.

DSC_0041.jpg

DSC_0044.jpg

DSC_0291.jpg

DSC_0214.jpg

DSC_0213.jpg

IMG_20181004_170733961.jpg

"Study books and observe nature; if they do not agree, throw away the books." ~ William A. Albrecht

James Freyr

steward

Posts: 4837

Location: West Tennessee

2438

I like...

posted 6 years ago

1
Number of slices to send:

Optional 'thank-you' note:

Send

This past week we finished installing the ceiling, all except for the stairwell to the basement. We're out of useable material. The remaining tongue & groove boards are so bowed and warped they're unusable, and even so I'm not sure there is enough there to complete it. Will have to make a phone call about that. I also spent some time doing some pipe fitting, running more black iron pipe for the propane, but don't have a picture of that to include below. More barn wood was installed too. In the bedroom, half-inch plywood was installed to the wall to receive the barn boards and painted flat black as a backer for the vertically run boards to attach to. I figured painting it black would be good for any holes and gaps in seams between the boards so they're less noticeable. The boards in the bedroom are one inch thick oak and came from the old cabin on the farm. They were on a wall under a lean-to roof facing north, so they stayed relatively dry and never had direct sun on them, so they never went grey and have this beautiful brown patina (see second picture). We also got some barn wood installed in the laundry room, and these boards came from my neighbors barn that was damaged during an EF1 tornado last November. The winds brought down some trees on his farm and a huge old oak fell on the barn. The barn was originally a tobacco barn, then a horse barn, but just storage for him and which he thinks was built in the 30's or 40's. It's a guess, but it was put together with round nails like we can still find at any hardware store today, so it limits the age of when it could have been built. These boards were rained on and in the sun, so they developed that lovely grey color that is common with exterior boards on old barns. Since the grey boards in the laundry room are being installed horizontally and being attached to the studs, I just put up sheets of luan as a backer and painted it black also.

DSC_0221.jpg

IMG_20181012_101316791.jpg

DSC_0220.jpg

IMG_20181012_143244737.jpg

"Study books and observe nature; if they do not agree, throw away the books." ~ William A. Albrecht

Brian Rodgers

pollinator

Posts: 340

Location: northeastern New Mexico

I like...

posted 6 years ago

Number of slices to send:

Optional 'thank-you' note:

Send

The barn wood looks spectacular too. Fine craftsmanship all around. It's going to be a joy to live in.
Brian

"People get out your way, when you're on fire". Richard Prior

James Freyr

steward

Posts: 4837

Location: West Tennessee

2438

I like...

posted 6 years ago

1
Number of slices to send:

Optional 'thank-you' note:

Send

Yay windows!!! Finally, we have windows installed, but not without a hitch. Man is it ever apparent that if something can go wrong, it will. When windows are ordered, the rough opening size is the information given to the companies that then order windows from the manufacturer. Generally, either the window company themselves or the manufacturer will then deduct a 1/4" on three sides of the rough opening measurement so the window will fit into the rough opening. Someone somewhere failed to make the deduction and the windows were made and shipped to me the same size as the rough opening, meaning they didn't fit. Not a single window. I'm still trying to figure out where the communication breakdown happened. Fortunately, it's just carpentry, and my brother and I grabbed the sawzall and resized the window rough openings so the windows would fit. And to our delight, as I tried to set aside frustrations and just move forward, the whole resizing process was fairly quick and easy for each window and we had all ten installed in a days time.

We promptly moved on to getting the doors installed, which were a little more tricky for us. It kinda seems pretty straightforward to install a pre-hung door, but it took a lot of tweaking and adjustment with shims to get everything plumb on 2 axis and square so the door shut into the jamb and against the weather stripping properly. It was a real relief to get the house mostly sealed up with the weather getting cool and some nights rather chilly. It was even more of a relief when some fierce winds and sideways rain came upon me to start off the month of November.

Another small project that I've been trying to finish since August are the small retaining walls at the basement door. If there's one thing that I'm terrible at, it's dry stacking concrete block. I find it difficult to get the right amount of mortar on each course, set a block close to where it needs to be, tap them into position, and have it turn out straight, level and plumb. I did one wall and my brother did the other, and he's way better at it than me. Mine is all crooked and wonky as shit, but my wife and I plan to cover the concrete block in natural stone one day, so that will hide the crooked blocks with inconsistent mortar joints. It's really not too big a deal to me since it doesn't affect the walls job of being a retaining wall and holding back some soil. Each course of block has a length of rebar in it which is inserted into a hole in the basement wall, and the retaining wall blocks will be filled with concrete just like the basement walls, so everything is tied together and hopefully minimize any cracks from developing and prevent the weight of the soil backfill from pushing the walls over.

DSC_0247.jpg

IMG_20181024_174912351.jpg

IMG_20181024_155931764.jpg

IMG_20181030_180342787.jpg

"Study books and observe nature; if they do not agree, throw away the books." ~ William A. Albrecht

James Freyr

steward

Posts: 4837

Location: West Tennessee

2438

I like...

posted 6 years ago

3
Number of slices to send:

Optional 'thank-you' note:

Send

Earlier in one of my posts I mentioned mistakes and blunders and I would share some. Here's one. It's the concrete piers that the front porch sits on. It's really a simple mistake I made, and I measured like three times and they still turned out wrong. It took me a few weeks to realize what I had done cause I couldn't stop thinking about them and what went wrong. Look close at the picture, and as the piers continue on down the front of the house, you'll notice that the posts the deck is sitting on start creeping closer to the house. The footings/piers for that front porch are supposed to be 8 feet from the foundation, and they are, depending on how it's measured. When I set out to mark the ground where those would go, I put my tape measure against the concrete block foundation, and laid the tape across the soil, and marked 8 feet. Well, I did not take into consideration that the soil slopes downhill away from the foundation, and the slope got a little steeper as I worked my way down the front of the house. There I went, laying the tape measure on the sloping earth, steeper and steeper, marking the 8 foot mark on each one. What I should have done, and the right way to do it, is measure 8 feet from the foundation straight out on a level plane, then using a plumb bob mark the 8 foot spot on the soil below. Since I didn't think about that and was marking 8 feet with my tape measure laying on the sloping soil, my marks got a little closer to the foundation each time I measured. They're not off by much, the worst one being about 4 or 5 inches too close, but man did it become apparent when the porch was being built. And one of my concrete piers came out leaning like the Tower of Pisa. I still don't know what happened there. I'll never forget this, and can laugh about it now. :)

DSC_0486.jpg

"Study books and observe nature; if they do not agree, throw away the books." ~ William A. Albrecht

Brian Rodgers

pollinator

Posts: 340

Location: northeastern New Mexico

I like...

posted 6 years ago

1
Number of slices to send:

Optional 'thank-you' note:

Send

Excellent craftsmanship all round, though. I made all sorts of goofs on my last building project. I got one of only two windows in our addition too short and too high. Whoops! That got me to dig out my chisels and sharpen them for the first times in years, lol. I never did figure out how I got that so wrong.
Brian

"People get out your way, when you're on fire". Richard Prior

Kyle Neath

gardener

Posts: 522

Location: Sierra Nevadas, CA 6400'

201

I like...

posted 6 years ago

3
Number of slices to send:

Optional 'thank-you' note:

Send

It's just not a window installation unless there's a sawzall involved.

Kyle's Projects & Adventures

James Freyr

steward

Posts: 4837

Location: West Tennessee

2438

I like...

posted 6 years ago

3
Number of slices to send:

Optional 'thank-you' note:

Send

A lot of work has been getting done on the interior recently. My brother and I installed some decorative beams on the ceiling in the living room which I really like. These were my idea in the design and my wife would have been fine without them, but I think beams & timbers on a ceiling in a log home seem fitting, and make the room more cozy. The electricians were back installing lights, fans, switches and outlets, all which passed the electrical inspection, and the local power company transferred the overhead service from the temporary pole and box out in the field to the house. Yay! Electricity! Well, I've had power since march but running a fridge, lights and tools off of an extension cord has been challenging. I have a new appreciation for the convenience of the electricity that I've grown up with and had in every home I've ever lived in. I had never really thought about the simple flip of a switch, or having power at those outlets along a wall and it always works. Grid power serves me well, and solar is on the horizon but not in the budget right now. I kinda see this grid connection as temporary, then one day with a solar array across the roof I hope to sell surplus electricity back to the power company.

We've been chinking the interior walls also, starting with the kitchen and living room so we could then start installing the hardwood floor. The chinking process is messy, and blobs of the material inevitably fall to the floor, stepped in and tracked around, so it makes sense to get that done before any finished floor is installed. The hardwood went down well, getting close to 300 sq ft done in a day and a half. Having the hardwood down then allowed us to get the cabinets set with lots of shims and leveling and re-leveling. Soon we will make a decision on counter tops and have the counter top people come take measurements.

DSC_0257.jpg

DSC_0260.jpg

IMG_5911.JPG

DSC_0265.jpg

IMG_5935.JPG

DSC_0268.jpg

IMG_5943.JPG

"Study books and observe nature; if they do not agree, throw away the books." ~ William A. Albrecht

Erica Colmenares

pollinator

Posts: 256

Location: Charlotte, Tennessee

I like...

posted 6 years ago

1
Number of slices to send:

Optional 'thank-you' note:

Send

Wow, you've made a ton of progress! It all looks so beautiful, and well-constructed (despite the porch measurement - thanks for sharing that story, though, as it'll help many of us in the future!).

James Freyr wrote:
Grid power serves me well, and solar is on the horizon but not in the budget right now. I kinda see this grid connection as temporary, then one day with a solar array across the roof I hope to sell surplus electricity back to the power company.

Our future electric company, Dickson Electric (in Dickson Cty) will not buy back electricity. So if you have solar there and are hooked into the grid, you just give them any excess. Nice for them, eh?

Middle Tennessee - zone 7a

James Freyr

steward

Posts: 4837

Location: West Tennessee

2438

I like...

posted 6 years ago

Number of slices to send:

Optional 'thank-you' note:

Send

Thanks Erica! I appreciate the compliment. I do hope that by sharing my mistakes I can help others avoid them.

Interesting on your local powers company not buying electricity from end users. I kinda always thought that solar power back feeding the grid made the meter run backwards, but that now has me wondering about the new electronic digital meters they use instead of the old analog one running off of a magnetic field and gears. I wonder if the new digital meters are directional and can detect which way electricity is flowing, and if they can be programmed to ignore and not take into account any electricity going back the other way....

"Study books and observe nature; if they do not agree, throw away the books." ~ William A. Albrecht

Natural gas heat uses 20 tons out of 30. This tiny ad is carbon neutral.

rocket mass heater risers: materials and design eBook

https://permies.com/w/risers-ebook