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Has anyone here heard/of 'david Lonebear Sanipass' he is a First Nation's/Native American Elder of the Mi'Kmaq Nation.

He is a Sagan and was entrusted with copper scrolls, which he describes as a manual or instructions on how to build numerous devices/technologies such as the 'resonator' or a device that produces electrcity, steam, and torque with the input of only water, or the manna machine which creates a substance that as i understand it is a complete 'food'...

I know this stuff may seem 'out there', but if you listen to the talks/interviews I think you will very quickly conclude that this man is honest and simply sharing what he knows as truth as told by his elders...the history of this knowledge goes back at lest 20,000 years...yes twenty thousand years...if you listen to elders of other tribes speak you will here them date back their Nation/'tribe' back to thousands of years back an even into 'time immemorial'...for people with a rich oral history (no iphones and word docs.) they have a great memory as well as some 'rock carvings/drawings'...either way the Smithsonian dated a piece of the copper back to at least 20,000 years ago

David Lonebear Sanipass clearly states that for these devices and 'ancient' technologies to be built will take a COMMUNITY as these are not for individual profit or benefit.

'Matt Belair' on youtube as a bunch of content with Davis Lonebear Sanipass...so if you are interested check that out or simply search youtube for 'Davis Lonebear Sanipass'
If you have facebook you can also search for 'star teachings' they have a FREE event coming up in Waynesville, NC at the BioDome June 13 I believe.

I don't think it get much more permies than building Community and using water to create electricity, steam, and torque...thank to the 'water/hydrological cycle' this is an 'endless' resource..

I thik if even 1% of the members of this forum got together and created these devices the community would gain enough momentum to be that change which would 'get the snow-ball rolling'...come on people!!!

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Interesting, have you built the electricity or manna device?  Would be a fun thing to experiment with.  I know folks that use paramagnetic towers (geomancy) and orgone/Reich boxes in permaculture, but haven’t had the time to experiment/verify such things myself.
 
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I would be interested in learning how these things are supposed to work. Every time I try to find out about these machines that are supposed to upend physical laws, I either come up against a paywall or mystical obfuscation.

I am just waiting for one of my inquiries to yield something other than circular reasoning or nonsense, for once. I would love a free-energy device that I could plug into the grid and a smart meter and get them paying me for running water through the thing. And imagine not paying for livestock feed. I wonder what the feed conversion ratio for pigs fed on manna is.

Some of those pictures look an awful lot like those punched copper discs or sheets that used to play either gramophone-type devices or player pianos.

And what language or idiography is that?

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That's what I thought.

The square copper plates look like reclaimed and water-damaged stamped metal ceiling tiles. The ones with the lines of dots look suspiciously like someone ran one of those spike wheel thingies (for installing window screens, not a wardenberg pinwheel) across it on intersecting vectors.

They should have stuck to the ideographs. Those at least aren't recognisable as reclaimed building materials.

-CK
 
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Ben, just ignore the naysayers and bullies.  I am sure you have gotten those kinds of responses before and thought that with permies being a place for gentle souls, you might not have to deal with it here.

Do not argue with them just present your information and let the community decide.

I for one found the interview interesting and will keep an open mind to all things that might be possible.
 
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Ben, I'm glad these folks are building communities based on spiritual teachings.  I'm a pretty open-minded/spiritual kind of guy, but I try to approach such matters scientifically, the same way I approach material reality.  I do wonder if Orgone tech for rain-making has potential; there is some supposed research on this but also a lot of silly people going on about chemtrails.  Hell, I'm open to any way to get more moisture on my property, including drums, sigils, rattles, prayers, copper, and blood sacrifice. :)
 
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Josh-

David Lonebear Sanipass is a scientist and is not into 'fluffly' stuff. Please see the interviews with him or go and meet him. He is not about "running around a fire and drumming--or-- whatever other stereotypical "indian" image we might think of"

The fact of the matter is that if you go a talk or go and listen to Native Americans/First Nations people who still have their traditions from their ancestors. You will see that ALL of the mention the "star people" or the "star brothers"

According to numerous prophecies it is time now and has been for a few decades to share their knowledge of the prophecies and the star people with the 'four directions' and non-natives.

I think you have some time then it is worth a look and listen...these people were here waaaay before the 'modern' people were and were doing just fine, un-like the books that make us think otherwise.

again I am not here to convince anyone --nor-- to change their beliefs...

I am simply putting this call for COMMUNITY out here on permies as these Ancient Cultures, surely know how to live a permaculture lifestyle here on this land



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I am not trying to convince you of the realness of Atlantis. this post/thread is about building Community with those who this message resonates with...if it is beyond your interest that is fine brother, but please allow me to share...i mean no harm to you or your world-view...take care...be well. be blessed. and live your life as you wish

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to anyone interested here is a good video of some of the prophecies:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC5J2hpcpPt7PeeufC_xVRtA

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Miles Flansburg wrote:Ben, just ignore the naysayers and bullies.  I am sure you have gotten those kinds of responses before and thought that with permies being a place for gentle souls, you might not have to deal with it here.

Do not argue with them just present your information and let the community decide.

I for one found the interview interesting and will keep an open mind to all things that might be possible.



Thank you Miles...

This is just a call out and those who wish may respond...thank you for understanding brother...hope to meet you one day and work with you
 
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Chris Kott wrote:

They should have stuck to the ideographs. Those at least aren't recognisable as reclaimed building materials.



The hieroglyphs as a full written language appears to have been invented by  Catholic missionaries and inspired by traditional tribal symbols, to help the Mikmaq learn Catholicism and has since been adapted by the Mikmaq as their own written language. https://scriptsource.org/cms/scripts/page.php?item_id=script_detail&key=Qabg

So although the copper may be 20,000 years old the hieroglyphs probably date to much more recently.
 
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Ben, I spent several years in the energy/alternative energy field, so this is of interest to me, and not the first time I've seen things like this.  I think it's key to first have a common understanding of the term 'free energy'.  This is how you addressed it:

to answer the FREE energy question:
David Lonebear Sanipass states there is no such thing as free energy, because as i understand David's words you still have to build the thing...is that free? you still have to add water is that free? Also if you listen to David's talk he says numerous times 'i have nothing for sale' as well as 'don't believe me do your own research'



Here is a definition that comes from a site that is a proponent of free energy:

To begin with, “free energy” refers to the idea of a system that can generate power by taking energy from a limitless source. A power generated free from the constraints of oil, solar, and wind, but can actually continue to produce energy for twenty four hours, seven days a week, for an infinite amount of time without the worry of ever running out.

 The term 'free' doesn't relate to the cost of building the device, it's a reference to the ability to generate energy from a limitless source, in the case of what you've posted, water.

but if you listen to the talks/interviews I think you will very quickly conclude that this man is honest and simply sharing what he knows as truth as told by his elders

 Please be aware of the difference between someone who is honestly telling you what they believe and what is reality.  Just because someone believes something, it doesn't make it true, even if you share that belief.  I've worked on some ground-breaking stuff in the fields of electricity generation and electric motors and was contacted by NASA for consideration of our tech for the Mars Rover.  In that time, we were approached about once a week about 'free energy devices'.  One of the groups I sat down with was headed by a former Canadian ambassador.  After a lot of back and forth and signing a lengthy NDA, the 'miracle solution' was to take a 3-bladed wind turbine and add 3 more blades behind the first 3, thereby doubling the power generation.  All of the people that contacted us believed wholeheartedly in what they were saying.

Please respect the Mi'kmaq Nation.  


I respect all people.  I've also worked with and for Natives and one of my best friends is Native, although he'll tell you he's Indian.  I've done work on several reservations and met many Natives.  What I've learned is that they, if you can take them as a whole, A) got screwed big-time and are still fucked-up by it, B) are people just like anyone else and C) lived in 'harmony' with nature by plundering an area of it's natural resources and then moved on to a new area.  The lifestyle was sustainable only because the human population was small enough to not make an appreciable dent in the overall ecosystem and the areas that were harvested were allowed to recover before being harvested again.  I think that there is a lot of romanticism surrounding the lifestyle of Natives in the past.  I can tell you that most of the Natives I've known would be very skeptical of the claims made.  

Just like the pyramids...such accurate placement of the stones can not be replicated today with our modern tech...like they say there is nothing new under the Sun it's not what you, but how it is done...and we definitely can not replicate the pyramids today, or some of the stone wall structures in South America, which the Incas say where NOT build by them originally. Or Bimini road.



I'm a civil engineer and I can tell you that that statement isn't correct and I don't think you'd find many civil engineers who would say that we can't build any given structure.  Add to that all the masons in the world, indeed many tradespeople of all sorts, and I think you'd find that a majority of humans who work in construction would not only believe that we can build those objects, they COULD build them.  People, all people, are a lot smarter than most people think, though they often don't have a means of expressing that.  I don't know how many times I've heard that Stonehenge is a wonder and that we can't understand how it could be built by the Druids.



Physics is a wonderful beast, full of levers, fulcrums, forces and balance.  I've yet to see anyone beat her.  I'm open to seeing someone do it but, until I do, I tell people not to spend their resources (not just money, but also time) on claims that haven't been demonstrated.

Edit:  I'd like to say that I try hard to be respectful of all ideas.  I think that disagreement should be respectful, but I think that it's very important to hear different, even opposing ideas.  One of my main concerns with 'free energy' devices is the number of people who believe in them and the amount of money they lose as a result.  I've seen it several times.  I think that dissenting opinion should be encouraged on Permies lest others think that, if there aren't any posts decrying the 'technology', it must be true.  I'm sure that there are many people who's faith in Permies would make them not question what's being claimed if there's no dissenting opinion.  I also think that, if you believe a claim to be true, you shouldn't be afraid of naysayers and you shouldn't expect, or ask, that nobody posts an opposing view.
 
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That's interesting. It looked too regular and patterned to be random squiggles.

For my part, I do apologise for sounding dismissive without qualification. Maybe it is I that is being unclear.

Claims of ancient advanced knowledge are problematic. From what I understand,  the archaeological evidence of advanced society would persist for millenia, even after sudden cataclysm. Even being buried in lava would only preserve evidence. An exploding meteor on the scale of Tunguska would only harm aboveground infrastructure, and there would still be evidence.

It would take an explosive dispersive event, like a caldera exploding as a function of a catastrophic geothermal energy malfunction, or maybe a fusion reactor disaster, to wipe evidence of civilisation out on that scale, and even then, there could be intact fragments in the ejecta.

Which is not to say that evidence can't exist, nor that I claim definitively that it couldn't have happened. But I am saying that an amount of healthy critical thinking on the subject is warranted, given that significant and extravagant claims have been made that challenge most people's understanding of what is physically possible.

By the way, to put some things in perspective, copper-based superconductors are among the most-investigated for new technology. A method of capturing the energy from snowfall on a doped latex membrane in a process analogous to photovoltaics has been developed, and the field of thermovoltaics is only gaining momentum; we are still learning and developing ourselves.

But if I make extraordinary claims, I expect to have people ask for details, and maybe some pushback if we understand things differently.

I don't accept the assertion that because we don't accept one story based in one particular First Nations practice or tradition,  that we are guilty of a disrespect of all aboriginal peoples.

The end goals being discussed here, and the community-based methodology, are laudable. We all want free food and energy. I want to hear more about how we get from here to there, and how, exactly, we use community to do it.

If the engraved language is as Tyler says, could we maybe get a translation? I do wonder how it was that ancient knowledge was transferred for thousands of years by word of mouth, and then the invented language of the invaders was used to record it.

I would simply like to see more.

-CK
 
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Chris Kott wrote:
I would simply like to see more.



The story of the written language is really fascinating.  This page shows some of the ideograms translated to English:  http://www.muiniskw.org/pgCulture4a.htm

So far I have not been able to find anything close to a "dictionary" of Micmac ideograms on the internet, but have only searched a bit.

 
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Chris Kott wrote:That's interesting. It looked too regular and patterned to be random squiggles.


But if I make extraordinary claims, I expect to have people ask for details, and maybe some pushback if we understand things differently.

I don't accept the assertion that because we don't accept one story based in one particular First Nations practice or tradition,  that we are guilty of a disrespect of all aboriginal peoples.

The end goals being discussed here, and the community-based methodology, are laudable. We all want free food and energy. I want to hear more about how we get from here to there, and how, exactly, we use community to do it.

If the engraved language is as Tyler says, could we maybe get a translation? I do wonder how it was that ancient knowledge was transferred for thousands of years by word of mouth, and then the invented language of the invaders was used to record it.

I would simply like to see more.

-CK



Yes i would like to see more as well and David says to ask questions as well, may be contact David with your questions as I am simply not in a position nor of knowledge to answer them at this point as I am very new to these Star Teachings.


CK-

If you are truly interested please look into David and listen to some of his talks...any thing "I" say is my own understanding which may be faulty, but as I understand it to 'read' the scrolls David uses his finger(after dipping it in water) and touches the scrolls and it is a sort of vibrational language...again as i understand it is not a one-for-one word or phrase or sentence translation, but it is equivalent to tomes of books, even whole libraries, on that one scroll.

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I do not have all the knowledge nor much at all. From my understanding the knowledge is for community and would never be posted for sale nor simply posted for anyone to use as they wish...but I could be wrong I am NEW to the Star Teachings and still learning myself.

My life experiences tell me this is something worth my time and energy...I could be wrong of course, but I am NOT saying "hey this what you must do!"

what i AM saying is that We can stand to benefit from this and IF you feel this is for you, hey here I am let us do this thing together, because I think it is worth a shot.

More importantly David nor anyone asked me to post this. Again Nobody asked me to post this thread. I of my own accord shared this information here because I figured there are others people here who may be seeking such knowledge and community as I am...that is my one and only motivation for posting. I am not even sure if I should have done this, but hey I know it is worth a shot


I see there are posts concerning the building of pyramids, that I know i used as an example, a poor quick thought of an example, as this is not my point in posting this thread. So this will be my final comment on this thread concerning this, may be we can begin a new thread about such topics if you would like, but I saw that guy moving the blocks already and that does not explain how the pyramids were built...or the stone wall in Peru with no motar and no space in between the blocks for even a credit card...again I am here to gather a community not discuss such topics, so please start a new thread if you'd like to discuss such matters.


And yes discourse is welcomed, but plain mocking has no purpose in me posting this thread, which has the purpose of building community by putting out a call to those interested. I do not claim to have all the answers, sorry if this answer is not to your standard of proof. As long as we don't harm each other there is no harm in having separate beliefs, I believe.


I will say I did not expect such a response ...I figured those who are interested would go look into this themselves, go do the foot-work figure it out, because as I understand it the Star Teachings require such ACTIVE participation in order for anything to happen

I am not trying to convince any one that this is real or true I myself don't have any of these devices nor any numbers/proof/data

I am simply putting out a call, a vibration if you wish and if you 'get it' and choose to participate, then let's go brother and sister....let's get it done


thank you for your time

have a nice day, be kind to someone, begin that wave of kindness!

i apologize to anyone i may have hurt in any way with my words...be well, be blessed, life in an experience, a journey, I plan to go



 
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hau Ben, many think that our prophecies are legends or stories, I decided long ago that I would only tell about them to ones who asked and I hold to that still.
It is similar to how most white eyes think about our medicine men, calling them shaman instead because they think they know us, all they did was try to rub us out but we are still here and willing to share but they have to know how to ask.

It is said that only when the four colors of man can come together and sit around the council fire as equals will things of this world change.

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