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Mold levels and remediation

 
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The missus got some agar plates to test for mold around our house.  We put them in about a dozen locations and sent the ones with more than a couple fuzzy blips in for testing.  Of course, the results came back that we have mold and it's the end of the world.

So I'm curious if anyone else has done this sort of testing and what they did to remedy it.

I'm guessing the company's recommendation will be to either bleach the whole house, hire a mold company to come in or move to a cement box in the desert.  For reference, our house is a 1960's stick built house on a block walk out basement.  We've remodeled and textured over almost every wall.  We clean with vinegar and baking soda.  We have a homemade shower spray with peroxide, vinegar and essential oils.  We don't have an air conditioner so we have the windows open a lot in the summer.  The windows were closed for 18+ hours before the test but I'm assuming spores from outside are flowing through our house all the time.  In the basement we don't often open the windows and the test results were better.  That's also the only place where we have carpet...

The results were worst in the master bedroom.  We do get a pink mold-like substance on our shower curtain from time to time.  The master bath results from the one hour test were:
  • Alternaria    1 count
  • Bacteria sp    2 counts
  • Candida    14 counts
  • Cladosporium    4 counts
  • Nocardia sp    8 counts
  • Penicillium    3 counts
  • Rhodotorula sp    1 count

  • The literature said that total counts from 0-4 is normal and not worth worrying about.  We're around 30 depending if you count bacteria or just mold.  

    Should we just burn the house and move?  Or since we live in an area with trees and nature, it is inevitable that there would be this level?  I'm just looking for some context to these results...  
     
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    I honestly would love to know, too. We live in a manufactured home. It LOVES to grow mold. I could move some furniture, and probably find new black stuff growing there. It's rather depressing.

    I would THINK that the range of 0-4 would be for individual mold types, not 0-4 for total amounts of mold. But, the literature seems to say different. Is that because they want you to freak out without real justification, or is it really horrible?

    My husband works in a Lab (he's a phlebotomist, so he deals with the agar plates). He was not amazed at all that so much mold would show up. he's of the mindset that "of course the house is full of mold, there's nothing we can do about it. There's mold everywhere, and if you don't have something like MS or other medical conditions, don't worry about it. There's mold everywhere." I mean, yeast is a mold. If there weren't wild molds, then we wouldn't make wild sourdough bread.

    I would use ventilation (curtains and windows open when possible to bring in UV), keep furniture from the walls, reduce dust as much as possible, etc, so that the mold can't find places to really grow. Don't dry your clothes inside or make maple syrup inside, and maybe get better hood and bathroom vents to pull out the moisture.

    And, since I"m poor in a tiny house, I don't do many of those things. And maybe that's why my psoriasis never gets all the way better....
     
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    Mike,

    I did mold inspections and remediation recommendations for about 4 years. What you are describing sounds fairly benign. When I did inspections, it was usually because there was visible water intrusion either from water line leaking/breaking, or poor manufacturing allowing water intrusion. If there is a concern about mold, the first thing I would do is look for water damage near the roof line, near the floor, or below any pipes that might be leaking. Water can travel an amazing distance if it finds a way into the house, but usually you will notice discoloration, swelling of materials, or a musty odor.

    When I would test, it consisted of drawing a volume of sample air into a little device that captured all the particles in the air onto a microscope slide. I would do triplicate tests outside as a control, then triplicate samples indoors with all of the windows and doors closed. These slides were sent to a lab where someone looked at them and did the counts. An outdoor test is essential because the levels can be very high under certain circumstances such as hay operations, high winds, etc.

    I didn't see the infamous Stachybotrys (black mold) or Aspergillus in the list, so that's good since these are the two of the most common toxic molds. All houses have a variety of mold spores and bacteria wafting around to some degree. This is not a bad thing since that's how I got my wild sourdough starter to start. Kitchens that have done a lot of wild fermentation of breads, cheeses and pickles will develop a signature profile of microbes that is very useful for continued fermentation of these products.

    If your wife is concerned with these results, I'd suggest doing the same tests outside and inside during the same time period. I'll bet you a nickel that the outdoor ones come back with higher counts. I've seen that a lot in homes that condition their air or don't have windows open much. Without a control test, the ones inside won't tell you much, especially since the more toxic ones associated with water damage are not present.

    Have you had any "water events" lately that would cause this concern? For the most part, mold needs a fairly wet environment (water leakage, condensation, etc.) to thrive so finding the water source and stopping it is the first step. If you do have water damage and mold, then remediation is more involved that just bleach so I won't go into it now since I'm not sure that what you have going on isn't just a typical household microbe profile.

    Also, the pink substance on the shower curtain is a bacteria, Serratia marcescens, and grows on soap residue. It's a good idea to scrub that off if you can and it will come back so it's just an ongoing cleaning process.

    I hope this helps. It's hard to give a definitive answer with so many variables.



     
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    Thanks Nicole and Robin, that's very helpful!  We don't have any water leaks that I'm aware of.  Reroofed a couple years ago and everything seems to be quite dry.  The vent fans operate well and when I had the house energy assessed they tested the bath vents and they met the energy star standards.  The bath vent is on a timer switch so we run it for an hour every time we shower.

    We don't have any visible mold anywhere (now that I know the pink stuff is bacteria  ) except maybe in the root cellar.  It also tested high due to being damper and having untreated wood in it (primarily Candida).  We'll be removing all those shelves and rebuilding with metal shelves.

    We also tested our greenhouse (open windows and doors during the test) and it was a fuzzy mess.  Much worse than the indoor tests.  Possibly that's our outside control or it's worse cuz it's a greenhouse.

    Oh, we also dry clothes outside 95% of the time in summer and less in winter.  But it's very dry here in the winter so I think it's less of a problem.  And no maple syrup making inside  

    Thanks!!!  I'll pass this along and see if she has any other worries.
     
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    Having penicillium moulds is not always a bad thing. Means you can easily make Camembert, blue cheese, and salami : )

    Good that there's none of the black mould there.

    My house is fairly mould-prone. My solution is to allow as much airflow as possible by airing mattresses and bedding often, opening windows every day it's not raining, and leaving doors open to allow the dry heat of the wood stove to circulate.
     
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