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a shift in how I manage new content

 
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David,

The strategy now is to delete it and resubmit it.
 
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craftylittlemonkey wrote:
Ok, here is my post, vote!

http://www.reddit.com/r/YouShouldKnow/comments/ft6v8/how_to_build_a_warm_house_in_next_to_no_time_for/



It isn't showing up.

You have to "message the moderators" and ask them to help get it unstuck.  It is probably in the spam queue.

I am a moderator for permaculture, selfsufficiency, renewableenergy and homestead.  If you post to any of those I can make sure it shows up.

 
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It's there - two up votes so far!! 
 
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Go to http://www.reddit.com/r/YouShouldKnow/new/

The newest thing there is an hour old.

Reddit thinks the submission is spam.  So it isn't showing it to anybody except for people looking for it outside of the system.

 
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How do I find those forums? I don't know how to work that site, it's complicated on purpose I think.
 
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Go to youshouldknow and click on "new"
 
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I messaged the mods. Shame because I have already cross posted it to all my people for upvoting.
I tried to post it in "survival" again but it won't let me post anymore stuff right now. 
 
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I'm telling you, it's there!  I've no idea why you guys can't see it, but it says 'submitted 56 minutes ago by craftymonkey' and it has 3 upvotes, no downvotes, so I'm not the only one who can see it. 

Get there quick guys and keep upvoting it!!!
 
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Nearly everything I do has somebody suggesting that I should give up.

Let me try another tack:  please trust me that this is important.  Please help me fix this. 
 
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It's not there... look at this link
http://www.reddit.com/r/YouShouldKnow/
If you go right to the first link I provided you'll see it but not on the actual public page.

Paul, you let us know what you need to help you out and we're here for you buddy.


I've successfully posted it again, go and vote it up!

http://www.reddit.com/r/sustainability/comments/ft7qp/anyone_can_build_this_house_nearly_anyone_can/

wait, I looked at the actual page and it's not there. Don't you moderate that one Paul?
 
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Looks like the stalker found it...   

We definitely need to try some different strategies.  I don't know if they should be posting strategies or coping strategies.  This guy is playing mind games with you Paul, and he's winning.  Maybe someone like a psychologist or a counselor of some sort might be able to throw a bit of light on strategies of dealing with him, or screening him out, or something.  I mean, essentially he's just behaving like a school bully, and there simply must be people out there with training on how to deal with bullies.  Aren't there?

 
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You know what trumps a bully?  An army of 50 decent people. 

We need an army.

 
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Ok, I have joined reddit, now what? 
 
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Background:

How reddit used to be for me:

I would post a new video to three places.  Two of those places would end up with something like net 12 upvotes and one would end up with something like 120 new upvotes.  I would look at the stats a few days later and see 1500 views came from reddit. 

If you get enough views in the first 24 hours for a video, youtube will put it on the "most viewed today" list.  So, more people see it. 

Something like this happened with the scythe video a while back and the view count hit something like 15,000 views in the first couple of days.  It now has over 20,000 views.

So, my message gets into a lot of brains.  And that makes me happy. 

Now, thousand of people won't see a new video because of one person.

The best strategy at this point seems to be to have a few people that are moderately reddit savvy do what I did.

 
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Paul - do you think that, at the very least, we should be using a 'members only' part of the forum for some of this stuff?  Possibly even a private forum for invitees only? 
 
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Ludi wrote:
Ok, I have joined reddit, now what?   



Step 1)  Have fun.  Learn what reddit is all about.  it is a wonderful site.  If you see something good, give it an upvote.  I rarely downvote anything.

Step 2)  Submit something.  See how it goes.  If you use a good title, it could get lots of upvotes.



 
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Paul - do you think that, at the very least, we should be using a 'members only' part of the forum for some of this stuff?  Possibly even a private forum for invitees only?   



Well, I thought about that.  We would let people in that wanted to help.  And if the stalker shows up here, he'll just say "I wanna help, let me in!"

 
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Now he hates me too, oh boo hoo. What a big baby.

http://www.reddit.com/r/YouShouldKnow/comments/ft6v8/how_to_build_a_warm_house_in_next_to_no_time_for/
 
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craftylittlemonkey wrote:
Now he hates me too, oh boo hoo. What a big baby.

http://www.reddit.com/r/YouShouldKnow/comments/ft6v8/how_to_build_a_warm_house_in_next_to_no_time_for/



Notice how it doesn't show up yet, but has eight downvotes.


 
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No, I don't see that. I have no idea where to look for that info. It just says 0 between the two arrows. Where does it even show votes?
Well, it must just be me, you and one or two others even bothering to up-vote stuff then Paul. Sorry, my posse must be sleeping and yours are all out in the garden!
If we could just get ONE post of this stuff up-voted enough it wouldn't need to be posted more than once. This clown doesn't get it that he's the one responsible for things needing to be posted more than once in the first place. Loser.
 
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Look to the right of the page that you link to.  It shows total upvotes and downvotes.

If you go to http://www.reddit.com/r/YouShouldKnow and click on new, you will see that this is not showing up - it has been caught by the spam filter.
 
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Let's let this go for now. 

 
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Trying a new strategy.

http://www.reddit.com/r/homestead/comments/ftbk0/build_a_house_freaky_cheap_eco_building_pod_cast/



 
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Another with the new strategy:

http://www.reddit.com/r/Permaculture/comments/ftbt5/extension_agent_and_goddess_of_the_soil_shows/


The new strategy appears to be working really well!

 
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Normally, this would not last two minutes.  But it has now been an hour.  It works!

The key is: 

1)  use a URL that the stalker isn't looking for. 

2)  use an account that the stalker isn't looking for.

The stalker is probably watching for any submission to permies.com, thesurvivalpodcast, or to my latest video.  And my account.  And any of your accounts that he thinks is tied to me.

Jocelyn posted the podcast and the lastest video by running the url through tinyurl.com.  The stalker is not watching jocelyn's account.  And he is not watching tinyurl.

So far, one of the submissions is up to 6 upvotes.

 
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This one: http://www.reddit.com/r/homestead/comments/ftbk0/build_a_house_freaky_cheap_eco_building_pod_cast/

had 6 upvotes, then 5 up and 1 down, now 6 upvotes again.

Weird. I was worried the stalker found it.
 
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I think it is normal to get a few downvotes. 

As we watch it slowly grow to six, that seems perfectly normal.  To get 8 downvotes all at once - that would be the stalker.
 
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Two hours and doing great.

I feel like we have a solution!

Thanks everybody for sticking with me!

 
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I've been thinking, paul. 

As far as reddit goes, the strategy might be something like this:

have someone (not you) post it to one subreddit.

make a similar video. maybe second youtube account, and have someone submit that one to a differen't subreddit.    if both people submit it to two differen't subreddits, you can get away with it probably.

the problem is this:  that damned reddit community seems to hate re-posts, even though EVERYTHING on there is a repost.

ah, there's the other solution,

perhaps have both accounts submit it to two subreddits, then you simply wait about two months, delete the posts, and have differn't people resubmit them.


another way to go:

Zune.  Zune seems to have a bunch of podcasts... i don't know the motivation there, or how to go about getting a podcast on zune, but http://social.zune.net/podcasts/ there's the link. it seems like your podcasts could go far there, or even your short videos (as podcasts)

also, instead of just youtube, you might as well start a blog too. you don't have to type anything, but definitely just post your video's there.

if you type things about yourself though, about your lifestyle, you're likely to get followers as time goes by.  I see that you're getting burned out, but a paragraph per week, about plans you have, people you've talked too, even if your blog is unrelated to permaculture, and related only to your travels (the travels you take to get your videos) and that blog is linked to your youtube channel, that way you can corral people in that weren't looking for permaculture, but an interesting read on people of the good ol' usa.

the searches for information on traveling, or video making could direct traffic to your youtube, and ultimately here.

as far as reddit goes, perhaps if you do something incognito, add a fake account, and post your videos there, have someone else talk on the videos, so people don't really recognize you. this way you can get away from the stigma that it's just "another paul wheaton video" (if that's what they're about)


also, calling them a stalker is a little far.  as far as i can tell, these are people subscribed to subreddits, that simply see your video's posted more than once, and decide to cry about it.
 
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I've been thinking too.

I think that the right path is for me to step away from reddit.  But I have to do it in a way that I can be comfortable with. 

By using reddit in a legit way ... by being a member of the reddit community, I was getting about 10,000 views of my stuff per week.  Now, with my stalker (and yes, that is exactly what he is), I am getting about 400 per week.  That means that I am not reaching 9,600 people I used to reach each week.  I want to reach those people.  I need to reach those people.  And I will devote huge tracts of my time to correcting this situation. 

At the same time, there are people that want me to do blogs, podcasts, more videos, comments on stuff here at permies, etc. 

So, I am going to make a leap of faith.  I am going to stop using reddit and trust that you all will reach those 10,000 people.  I will look at my youtube stats, my permies stats and my richsoil stats and see that they are at 10,000 per week or higher.  And I will take that time to put out a new line of podcasts, fire up a blog, and put out more videos. 

Of course, if that number drops below 10,000, then I will be compelled to go back to reddit.

Here is another angle:  I have purchased reddit gold.  A year for myself and I have purchased a month here and there for others.  I like reddit.  Reddit is my favorite social network.  The idea of reddit in general is brilliant and I want to support it.  I just wish I had some admin support.    Rather than continuing to buy reddit gold for me, I will buy for those folks that have made a big difference in traffic from reddit to my evil empire.  I also have permies mugs and shirts that I would be glad to send to folks that have helped me in this space.  But most of all:  I personally think I am building a better world with this stuff.  And if somebody agrees with that, and they connect my stuff to a hundred thousand people - then that person is also (by my standards) building a better world.  And that person is giving me a gift of relieving one of my stress points.  And I am grateful for that.  So grateful, that I would pop if I didn't share swag and/or reddit gold.

So, a few weeks from now, I think it would be great to look at a few reddit accounts, tally up the submissions and upvotes and dole out the gold.

I am gonna make a leap of faith that folks are gonna do this.  So I'm gonna do this and focus on cranking out more content. 

And, if this happens - this totally beats the stalker.  So I will do a big maniacal laugh on my upcoming podcast.
 
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fyi:  the permies mugs and tshirts
 
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Paul, it is pretty clear the stalker reads everything posted here on this topic. 

This person is making money off what he/she is doing, but wants to deny you a living, so to speak.  Whatever the motivation is, it is irrelevant.  You just know that they want to make your life complicated.  Moving in a different direction is a positive on your part. 

Podcasts, videos with your voice prominently added, is a plus.   As a voice over and narrator, your voice is perfect.  Also try to get more content with you personally in it.  There is a real reason for this and I will send you a personal email as to why it is.





 
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Al,

There are things I must do.  I cannot compromise - I must solve the problem.  The stalker thing is one of those. 

If lots of people pick up where I left off on reddit, then the problem is solved - I won.  If people don't, then I need to drop the podcast/blog stuff and solve it. 

I have to. 

It's how I'm wired.

I got your email and I think I am about to travel the path you think I should. 

On monday I leave for a week to gather new video footage.  While driving, I am planning on making several more podcast things. 

Frankly I am shifting my perspective to be what you suggest:  rather than ME swimming upstream, it is a whole bunch of us in a boat paddling upstream far faster than I can swim.  I'll make the content, but it will be a dozen people or more that will voluntarily get it out there.  This forum (the tinkering forum) will be the nerve center for getting the job done. 

It is the kind words of the people in this very thread, the scads of emails, the support on facebook and at TSP that make me think that I have lots of people that are willing to play a part in making this happen.  So I am making a leap.  If I am wrong, then I will do a bunch of work and nobody will hear it.  If I am right, then my faith in all of these people means that everything is about to get about ten times bigger.  And all I gotta do is focus on making videos, podcasts and articles.


 
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Paul,

I am on your side with this as I think you are in a position of right place right timing, and you have the goods.  I feel it will all work, and the rewards of following a dream are definitely worth it.

My administration duties on another site, plus work, limit my abilities to be of great help. But I am willing to do what I can.  Count me in for whatever it is you think I could help you with.



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The stalker doesn't know about this one: 


 
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If you are following this thread, you should be my "youtube friend".  i send an email, via youtube, to my youtube friends about each new video.  Once a new video is out, it needs your:

1) thumbs up

2) comment

3) add to favorites

4) watch to the very end

Getting these four things done in the first 24 hours is a big help.

 
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Paul,

Done did it.
 
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Is anybody gonna submit the new video to reddit?
 
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i searched it, somebody put it in permaculture...

i don't know that they put it anywhere else though
 
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