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those living tabletop models really brought back memories of my time at the Venus Project with Jacque Fresco and Roxanne Meadows many years ago, probably was about 1990,. With this virus turning the whole world upside down in just 10 weeks and an estimated 2.25 million becoming unemployed in just the past week, society is changing before our eyes. Fresco's vision of a resource based society makes a lot of sense but is bucked up against a greed driven capitalist engrained way of societal control.
society can change one person at a time is my belief, for those of us who want something better we can make a difference. I have so many questions and the answers will only come to light in time. In the meantime the best I can do is try my best at self sufficientcy
and share and barter with others.
The communities that people on this site write about are about as close to what Fresco envisioned as there is in this world that I am aware of. my hats off to you
 
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It would be nice if every housing unit had 2acre of land to meet there basic needs of housing, water, sewer, eggs/chicken/fish/honey, and herbs/vegetables/fruits/nuts, and passive solar and active/solid state solar provided our energy needs. Most Transportation was done by electric bicycle/motorcycle. We would still need supplies to setup systems but alot of our basic needs could be met in a decentralized homescale way.
 
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Bruce, you, probably inadvertently and more or less innocently, spoke a phrase "self sufficiency" as something to strive for. That I think is really, really misleading. At the very best. But you mention "trade and barter", so I can see that you don't mean "self sufficient" to be a silo. And you mention a community in the nineties which seemed admirable to you, so you seem to believe in community. But the words we use repeatedly gather power and that "self sufficiency" phrase pushes buttons with me. So please forgive a small rant here.

To me "self sufficiency" is just a will'o' the wisp. A red herring.  We humans live and create an ecosystem derived from our lives.  Self sufficiency is as close to impossible for us as anything can ever be. Being part of an ecosystem is a huge part of being human. Size and degree matter, but the "self sufficiency" ideal seems mostly a distraction. Do you think that "It takes a village..." concept was wrong? I don't.

That means it's important to speak clearly regarding what is at the core, what matters and is a good goal. And not use words that can mislead, lead astray. "Self sufficiency" doesn't look to have good ramificatioins. It detracts, distracts and misleads from what really matters. In my opinion. It champions personal nationalism as a virtue, fosters  us/them (even "me/them") and, most importantly, doesn't work for shit or even pencil out. And yet it appears over and over at the _center_ of talk and language about permiculture. That looks like a real problem because people glom onto and use popular phrases and then build on them. "Self sufficiency" does not look like a good strong rock-for-all-seasons to build your life on.

"Local", "responsible", "carry your load", "contributing", "community", "sustainable" "walk lightly", "waste not".... Fair, courteous, considerate, thoughtful, persistent,..  Well, I'll cease there because I wouldn't want anybody to think I"m a boy scout.

Those words and concepts and more like them seem _much_ healthier and challenging and sustaining than "self sufficient".

One of our members reported in as a hard core prepper dude and he described how he came around to thinking that "self sufficiency" was a quick road to disappointment and maybe disaster, if not oblivion. I'll try to find the thread and add the link here. Last I read, he's still a hard core prepper dude, but he's angling and arranging to foster a community rather than one silo. Seriously, and he didn't seem noob or wet behind the ears - not the first rodeo.

Words matter because _somebody_ will for sure take them at face value and use them. It could be for anything at all and the words will still carry their own values that will imbue the effort and be used by others to push it farther. Way better if the words we use actually hue to values that are good for us - and not values that will most like dead end.


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Rufus

 
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Rufus with the current virus situation. I don t want to catch it, and the only way to not catch it is to not interact with others for the time being, so I am by myself, planting a big garden to be self sufficient, but if I have something a neighbor needs I'd be more than happy to help.
Roxanne maintains a Venus Project website if you want to read about it. Fresco was a genius, a visionary and invented all kinds of stuff. very interesting history
https://www.thevenusproject.com
 
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