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Yes - there are a *lot* of good reasons for this, so it's strongly in a bird's "instinct file" which I try to respect as much as possible. (by bird, I refer to chickens and Muscovy as they're the ones I'm experienced with.Matt McSpadden wrote: Once the chicks are hatched, the majority of the time they will abandon the nest and find a new clean spot.
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Actually Stacie, if you check my profile, I'm actually a Lady Jay! I know in North America it's more commonly a guy name, so don't feel bad.Stacie Kim wrote:Congrats to you too, Grandpa Jay!! :)
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Jay Angler wrote:
Actually Stacie, if you check my profile, I'm actually a Lady Jay! I know in North America it's more commonly a guy name, so don't feel bad.Stacie Kim wrote:Congrats to you too, Grandpa Jay!! :)
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Stacie Kim wrote:Two hatchlings
Don't know if this link will work, but it's worth a try. If it doesn't work, I'll upload it to YouTube and edit the link.
Like clockwork, this is Day 21 of my broody mama's efforts, which have paid off very well. So far we've got 6 hatchlings. We suspect there may be more? But she's gone from Broody Hen to Full Beast Mode Mama and will not let anyone get close enough to inspect her chicks.
The above video shows the first two hatchlings. I was able to capture this quick video while Mama took a food/water/poop break.
Let the fun begin!!
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If I am only for myself, what am I?
If not now, when?
Jay Angler wrote:@ Brody and S - The biggest problem I've had with not separating the broody mom is that other hens will sneak their eggs under her. However, those eggs, if they're even fertile, won't hatch at the same time as the initial clutch.
In tight quarters, when we were just starting out, I would mark the initial eggs with a black grease pencil so that I could check them every day or two by sliding them out from under mom while reassuring her, and remove any that weren't marked. The marking would wear gradually, so sometimes I had to refresh it two weeks in.
If a mom ends up with too many eggs, you run the risk that the initial eggs will get pushed out enough to get cold and die, and the hen will end up with no viable chicks.
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John Pollard wrote:There's no guarantee that every egg is going to be fertilized just because there was a rooster around. A rooster might not hit every hen every day. I bought 24 from a neighbor and 4 of them weren't fertilized. I know because I broke them open once it was 5-6 days past the rest having hatched. I just tossed them on the ground outside and they still looked like eggs, yolk and white(clear) This was in an incubator so they should have developed something.
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Jay Angler wrote:@ Brody and S - The biggest problem I've had with not separating the broody mom is that other hens will sneak their eggs under her. However, those eggs, if they're even fertile, won't hatch at the same time as the initial clutch.
In tight quarters, when we were just starting out, I would mark the initial eggs with a black grease pencil so that I could check them every day or two by sliding them out from under mom while reassuring her, and remove any that weren't marked. The marking would wear gradually, so sometimes I had to refresh it two weeks in.
If a mom ends up with too many eggs, you run the risk that the initial eggs will get pushed out enough to get cold and die, and the hen will end up with no viable chicks.
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If this were me, I would not trust the fertility of the eggs your girl has. I would wait 5 days and then carefully candle them (I use a small flashlight with a chunk of inner-tube slipped over the bulb end so there's a comfy way to seal the light to the egg). You should be able to easily see blood vessels forming by 5 days in a chicken egg. Any that don't show that, I would remove. If *none* of them show that, I'd leave them there and try harder to reach your local breeder or anyone else in your community that has fertile eggs. A chicken that has access to food and water can easily go 4-6 weeks on eggs without being hurt by the experience. At this point, I wouldn't even worry too much about the breed - you can always sell off unwanted hens and the roosters are good eating even if they're small.Also reached out to a local poultry breeder to get eggs but she hasn’t responded and if I cant get some today, I think it’s best not to get them at all for this time around.
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S. Bard wrote:Quick question: how often should a hen sitting on eggs leave the nest to eat/drink/poop? Ours hasn't left it for two days so far. I left some water and food nearby her, even offered her some from my hand (she usually eats stuff from my hand happily), but she doesn't budge. I hardly see her blink!! She almost seems to be in a trance-like state. Should I intervene at some point if she continues to not eat or drink?
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Jay Angler wrote:If this were me, I would not trust the fertility of the eggs your girl has. I would wait 5 days and then carefully candle them (I use a small flashlight with a chunk of inner-tube slipped over the bulb end so there's a comfy way to seal the light to the egg). You should be able to easily see blood vessels forming by 5 days in a chicken egg. Any that don't show that, I would remove. If *none* of them show that, I'd leave them there and try harder to reach your local breeder or anyone else in your community that has fertile eggs. A chicken that has access to food and water can easily go 4-6 weeks on eggs without being hurt by the experience. At this point, I wouldn't even worry too much about the breed - you can always sell off unwanted hens and the roosters are good eating even if they're small.
If your breeder doesn't have eggs to sell, but will have day-old chicks in the 2-6 week range, you could do what Carla Burke does and do the swap at night with day-old chicks. Just have a back up plan if it doesn't work! If I can find where Carla posted about that, I'll add the link!
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I have more experience with ducks than chickens, so I don't doubt what you've been told, I've just found that not all chickens read the rule book! I'm happy to know you're willing and able to create a back-up plan! I have dealt with disappointed feathered moms before and part of my philosophy is that in return for all the benefits I get from having ducks and chickens on my farm, I have a responsibility to try to give them a satisfying life. There will always be tough decisions I have to make - I just broke brood on a duck because she absolutely refused the safe location I offered her, and the location of her choice would have resulted in a dead duck and a predator problem - but to me, raising animals with permaculture in mind, requires things to go both ways.Brody Ekberg wrote:Several people have told me the eggs should be fertile up to a month after killing a rooster, but I have absolutely no experience with that. I planned on candling the eggs on day 10, but could do day 5 just to minimize any wasted time and energy on the hen’s part. Our local breeder lives close by, so maybe we will just have to go over there since they’ve been unresponsive so far. Our whole flock is buff orpingtons, and I’d like to get some color variation so we can actually tell them apart. We love the Orpingtons though and I’d like to stick with them for now. The breeder has silver laced and jubilee Orpingtons (supposedly) so hopefully we can get either some eggs or day old chicks from her and get this process rolling!
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Jay Angler wrote:
I have more experience with ducks than chickens, so I don't doubt what you've been told, I've just found that not all chickens read the rule book! I'm happy to know you're willing and able to create a back-up plan! I have dealt with disappointed feathered moms before and part of my philosophy is that in return for all the benefits I get from having ducks and chickens on my farm, I have a responsibility to try to give them a satisfying life. There will always be tough decisions I have to make - I just broke brood on a duck because she absolutely refused the safe location I offered her, and the location of her choice would have resulted in a dead duck and a predator problem - but to me, raising animals with permaculture in mind, requires things to go both ways.Brody Ekberg wrote:Several people have told me the eggs should be fertile up to a month after killing a rooster, but I have absolutely no experience with that. I planned on candling the eggs on day 10, but could do day 5 just to minimize any wasted time and energy on the hen’s part. Our local breeder lives close by, so maybe we will just have to go over there since they’ve been unresponsive so far. Our whole flock is buff orpingtons, and I’d like to get some color variation so we can actually tell them apart. We love the Orpingtons though and I’d like to stick with them for now. The breeder has silver laced and jubilee Orpingtons (supposedly) so hopefully we can get either some eggs or day old chicks from her and get this process rolling!
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Carla Burke wrote:I think this might be the post Jay Angler is talking about:
https://permies.com/t/160104/Broody-hen-chance-hatching-chicks#1257855
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