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Geoff Lawton will be visiting us over the next three days answering questions and joining in discussions.
From now through til Friday, any posts in this forum, ie the permaculture forum, could be selected to win one of four copies of Geoff's DVD. Full details are here.
To win, you must use a name that follows our naming policy and you must have your email set up in Paul's daily-ish email.. At the end of the promotion, ten posts will be selected at random and the best of those will be the winners. The more you post, the more chances you have of being selected, but to win we're looking for good posts - a thoughtful question or a helpful answer, or maybe a good link to useful sites. Winners will be notified by email and must respond within 24 hours with their snail mail address.
But, to be honest, this week it feels like we are *all* going to be winners - just having Geoff here to answer our questions is prize enough!
Posts in this thread won't count, but please feel free to welcome Geoff and make him feel at home here.
Here's a short you tube video introducing the DVD
Wecome, Geoff - it's an honour to have you here!
1. I was born and raised in Detroit, met a native Oregonian ranch girl, and now have 5 acres in the Willamette valley. I would LOVE to grow a food forest. I found Permaculture last year and it has totally enthralled me ever sense. Changed my life even.
2. directly behind my house is a 250 acre grass seed growing operation. I entertain fantasies of buying or leasing that land one day and going perma-crazy on it; saving it from the oil based agriculture that its subject to today.
3. Weeks after learning about Paul Weaton and reading his huglekulture article I dug a 3 foot deep 6 foot wide hole, filled it with fire wood, covered it with fall leaves, horse poop and the dirt that came out of the hole. I covered it with first leaves then bark chips and waited the winter months for all the biological magic to happen. I endured ridicule from my family and neighbors for "burying perfectly good firewood". So now I have "Mark's permaculture garden" and if any one calls me on it I am going to tell them that I am following the ethics and that Geoff lawton said I could call it that.
4. Mark's permaculture garden is producing squash, melons, beets, flowers, and 7 foot tall tomato plants. The chickens have largely devastated the squash and melons but I looked up paul's article on chickens and I now know what i have to do... It takes much less water than my other "traditional" garden.
5. I use cast iron every day. So much so that I have a modern LODGE brand cast iron skillet that is smooth.
6. While I have not listend to ALL of Paul's podcasts, I have listened to many of them. Paul; if I am ever fortunate enough to have you at my place I will never be offended at what you say. I have more ass than you have teeth. I don't know what kind of cupcakes invite you to their place then get offended at comments and suggestions, but I ain't one of them.
7. I became a natural (Warre hive) bee keeper this spring. In doing so I learned that russin bees have almost as much attitude and Paul and that they are indeed attracted to dark colors as they tee'd off on my ankels while wearing black socks.
8. I built a rocket mass stove out of bricks inside an traditional fireplace to use if the power (and my stove) ever goes out. It runs on a ridiculously small amount of wood. My kids love it and I cook on about every two weeks just for the fun of it.
9. I raise pigs and feed them windfall appels from a neighboring orchard to reduce feed costs. Next year I am going to plant some sun chokes and grond nuts for them to forage on.
10. and THE BIGGEST reason that I should be selected is that all of the above is just a drop in the bucket (I am sure) when compared to the achievements of many others in this community but it shows that I could really use the material!
Edit: Reading if fundamental... I see that questions for Geoff should not be in this thread.
Thanks to Paul, Geoff, and all the people that keep Permies running.
I love what you are doing, and how you share it with the world, which needs it so very badly.
Thank you for being with us for these days, talking with us and answering questions. That is very generous of you.
Happiness, Health, Peace and Abundance for All.
Many Thanks and Many Blessings,
Some thoughts and comments after listening to the podcast. We are relatively new homesteaders in a village in Romania (neither of us with background in gardening of farming).
I have been trying to approach the vast sea of permaculture (where I still get lost very often) by viewing it through another framework I am more familiar and comfortable with - Yoga (http://iamronen.com/2011/05/permaculture-and-yoga-introduction/). I have often dealt with the question of "is this Yoga?" so I could relate to the question of "is this Permaculture?". In Yoga I am more interested in how a practitioner leaves the practice space then her actual practice - it is when you are back behind the driving wheel or on the phone that sheds light on your true qualities. I believe that holds true for Permaculture as well. Creating a super efficient and sustainable biological system is great and definitely addresses the first ethic "care for the earth". However if you achieve this and end up being an angry prick, impatient or rude towards people - then, in my eyes, you've failed when it comes to the 2nd ethic "caring for people" - you've failed both yourself and others. Influencing the biosystem is, I believe the easier aspect of the journey (can be achieved dominantly using intellect). Letting the biosystem influence you is a more difficult aspect of the journey (and demands a surrender of mind and an opening and softening of heart). I wouldn't be surprised to find that in Permaculture, as in Yoga, if you actually apply that second ethic as a filter ... then many "professionals" who have been through PDC courses (and may have already taught others) would fall outside of the permaculture ethic circle.
I have found in my own efforts that pushing too hard (using my quality of self-discipline) usually ends in me feeling not well (physically, emotionally, spiritually). It goes right to the point your brought up of "fun". If I am able to find patience, compromise, softness, appreciating the nature of myself and the world around me ... I find myself in more correct effort ... and enjoying myself. I have also found that my "pleasure" directly correlates to the state of the biological system. When I go out and try to work the dead clay earth we inherited I get depressed. When I put my hands into a spot of top-soil we have managed to recreate I have a smile from ear to ear and love working in the garden.
We would love to see a DVD produced on food-forests in temperate climates (temperate as in Zone 5 Romanian snow-covered winter, not UK cool). We intend to convert some of our typical-abused-Romanian-pasture into food-forests - so if this project comes to life we would be happy to offer our land-transformation efforts for this production.
All Things Good
Here's the blurb...
"Paul Wheaton talks to Geoff Lawton, who will be answering questions at permies.com this week for his Food Forest DVD promotion. Paul and Geoff talk about detractors. Geoff talks about having self-sufficient fun, and the peacefulness and contentment of setting up a permaculture system. They talk about being able to use the word permaculture without taking a PDC, although it is good for everybody to take a PDC. Geoff suggests sharing the 3 ethics. Geoff talks about using mainframe holistic design that is more inclusive than exclusive. Geoff reviews Paul and Helen Atthowe’s review of the Food Forests DVD. He finds the temperate climate to be easier to work with than the tropics. Geoff talks about black locust and its antifungal elements. Geoff talks about non-native plants making systems richer. Geoff talks about facilitating creative events in nature. He comments on nitrogen release in the soil. Geoff is thinking of doing a DVD on pattern, and is open to DVD suggestions. Geoff talks about the greening the desert projects."
Mark Lipscomb wrote:2. directly behind my house is a 250 acre grass seed growing operation. I entertain fantasies of buying or leasing that land one day and going perma-crazy on it; saving it from the oil based agriculture that its subject to today.
You might consider if Hemp is a viable crop there in North Plains. Of course Coastal Range/Willamette Valley Oregon has some of the best climate in the world for growing, so mebe a better way to say that ..... would the owner of the field allow growing Hemp, either all or part of the 250 acres, assuming it's legal to grow? Imagine growing a crop that could replace the oil/petrol you mention!
I was active in the Grass Seed Industry in the 60s and 70s (Dallas/Salem area), and many of the Farmers I dealt with would have had no problem with it, assuming it was legal to grow & process, and would make more money than their current crop. ( I even explored the idea of running for Sheriff of Lynn County in 1976 to help change the Hemp laws, but couldn't get enough votes. Even NORML were pussies and wouldn't back me!)
If that idea appeals to you at all, you might want to ask the Van Dykes their position of cleaning and bagging it commercially. While I never dealt with them, I know my Dad did, and I never met a Dutch business who turned down the idea of making more money! (we knew a family in Holland who grew Hemp as part of their crop rotations)
Good Luck with whatever you can do there. Beautiful country! I lived in Cedar Mills and PDX in the 80s & 90s, and always loved driving the Sunset Hwy on the way to the beach. Living in Phoenix now, I REALLY miss the trees!
Also, if I want to create little streams interconnecting ponds on my property, do I do the same method on a smaller scale? I've heard Bentonite clay works very well also and there is a source in Texas. Would rather not but if it works better for small streams, I'm tempted.
I still would like to know what the top 3 specific resources to get started out with for 1/4 acre residential lot and larger acres. I have 2 or 3 water drainage areas that will never be developed that I'd like to slowly convert into a food forest for the neighborhood.
Okay, I picked two.
Adrien Lapointe and
somebody who is not signed up for the daily-ish email. Bummer.
So, I will now email Adrien and ask who referred Adrien!
May I have a link to the place to buy this DVD that most benefits the creator? More impishly, may I ask that similar contests in the future have just such a link, so that those of us who really really really want this item but didn't win have an easy way to click-through?
Also, for anyone hoping to win *please* make sure that you are signed up on Paul's dailyish email, with an email address that you actually use. If your post is selected but you're not on the list, you get disqualified. And you have to answer within 24 hours of being notified!
Burra Maluca wrote:You can get it direct from The Permaculture Research Institute - just click on the words. The introductory post did carry that link, and also one to amazon.com, which will earn a bit of money for running permies.
Ah. Thank you. I always wonder which method nets the creators the most money.