I would like to know what your ideas are about what is classified as a weed!
I believe that a weed could be any plant that is positioned where it is not wanted, nor position usefull.
in saying this all plant matter is usefull i:e mulch, fertilizer ect.
some plants are invasive but do good by retaining soil though not allways the best choice for job/position,
Personally a garden space in say rest period full of so called weeds must be be more productive than a bare patch, can allways be turned in as green manure in most cases.
Awaiting your thoughts
One of the reasons for no dig gardening is that digging and hoeing can wake up the seeds of weeds you don't want. Poppies are well known for appearing only in upturned soil but they aren't a weed it is difficult to get rid of. agri rose macaskie.
They are indicators of the soil, i read thistles like bad soils and will disappear if the soil gets better, though i have seen thistles on good soil, so they can show you what you have got. agri rose macaskie.
Some weeds are invasive they are reallly troublesome weeds.
Weeds are pretty they mean that the place is not over regimented, they make you feel as if you are in the country rather than in a garden.
Some are agressive they sting and prick you and stop you being able to walk round the garden both nettles and brambles serve to make ropes and brambles give refuge to wild animals . Some are comestible. Dandelion leves and plantain leaves, and violet flower leaves kaking up a salad can stop you having to go to buy vegetables. I find that when you have wasked and put a dressing on dandlions cress and rocket they lose nearly all of the sharpness or bitterness of their taste. Burdock root is delicious and fried alaria leaves are deliciouse in an omlette and scrambled egg agreably bitter.
Taking out brambles exercises you. agri rose macaskie.
I figure anything I don't have to take care of that is a plant is a weed. It seems anything I actually want, needs lots of care and attention.
whenever someone says about a vegi type plant "you don't want that...it grows like a weed" I stand up and pay attention! a yummy plant that grows like a weed! thats my kind of plant!!! sunchokes, ground cherries, some berries....are all on my wish list because they "grow like a weed"
Even in wikipedia it says:
"The term weed in its general sense is a subjective one, without any classification value, since a "weed" is not a weed when growing where it belongs or is wanted."
thomas jahn wrote:
Because in permaculture every organism plays a role, weed does not really exist there.
Just because an organism plays a "role", doesn't mean we want it around. (see sandburrs in permaculture)
I don't know what role this plant plays, but it doesn't get rave reviews from me.
Maybe people who are into S & M like to have it in their gardens. As far as I'm concerned, it is the definitive NOXIOUS WEED! It's only purpose is to cause pain & problems.
you're so funny gwen....s&m permaculture....a new sub interest
the definition of 'weed' is, admitedly very subjective.
Leah Sattler wrote:sandburs being one. poison ivy another...........too much experience with both of those. even if they have a use they are not worth the problems to me and their propensity to take over make them a double wammy.
I agree with you that they shouldn't be cultivated and propagated. And yet, it seems a pity for the effort of cutting them to go to waste.
I could see dicing up sand burrs to make biodegradable tacks, but admittedly I'm reaching a bit there.
Poison ivy, on the other hand, is really intriguing. Its cousin in Japan is tapped for sap much the way rubber or sugar maple trees are. This sap, filtered and mixed with pigments, permeates the iconic black bowls and coats the lacquered Samurai armor we've all seen. Wood treated that way has been known to last 9,000 years. In Japan.
Apparently this sap has many of the same properties as epoxy and silicone resin: after it has cured with moisture and warmth, it resists acid, base, water, etc. It is very strong, and makes a good bond to most surfaces, including metal and ceramic. Wood to be lacquered should apparently be spongy and thin, it seems it's mostly there to give the lacquer some shape. Some of the best Japanese bowls are made partly of linnen.
A brief search suggests that wood alcohol can be used to extract the active ingredient from Toxicodendron plants like poison ivy, and the chemistry of the lacquer or adhesive action should be the same once the urushiol extract is pure enough.
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