Not sure what to do about it so am thinking to stack, fill and plant, calling it a privacy fence, retaining wall, or windbreak...what do you all think. My other half thinks it a silly idea, so any other suggestions?
Uses..... hum, potato rings maybe? Stack and fill with dirt as your potatoes grow, then take apart to find potatoes as you need them. Seems a bit labor intensive to me, but it's an idea.
Or use for a building such as making a shed or wall as you said.
With some cutting you can make interesting horse shaped tire swings - follow this link
I've read about using them as shingles (very cool)
And of course decorator planters - check out the photos
I heard that they leach toxic into the soil and then into food
Well I might get flack for saying this, but.....
This is why I don't recycle most 'modern' materials, I wouldn't use tires on my land unless they were completely covered with a plaster in some building project.
Even when the toxic amounts are in question I don't want to 'walk that way' - to each his own ♥
it is a shame..why don't they just raise the price of the recycled stuff they make with them..like playground pellets or rugs or whatever..to pay for the cost of the recycled tire.. think it is $3..$3 extra on a bag of playground pellets can't be that much more to be asking..to cover the cost of turning them in.
Anyway, no those are not my planters - although I do have a couple of old tires I was thinking about using in some creative way *grin* I went searching for ideas as soon as I read your request.
I don't know about paint sealing them, would depend on the paint I'm sure. Speaking of chemicals (ha ha ha) they now make that new spray paint that sticks to plastic, something like that might stick enough to seal maybe.
Also, I found this info on tires as shingles http://www.appropedia.org/Tire_shingles
Of course if the toxic issues bother you then this is not a good idea (can you say toxic runoff).
Hey - how about as fill material? You make a cement wall and put chunks of tire inside to displace the cement, thereby lowering your overall cost for the wall.... Whatcha think - would that be a safe enough use?
Looks like it has a lot of possibilities, though I'm not sure what one would do with the sidewalls. I could imagine finding ways to weave with them, too...
I have made large yabbie ponds useing tyres and rubber pond liner and get several feeds each year from it. have also used them to make horseshoe shaped raised bed on sides of hills to catch water for plants that have been planted in the now leveled areas. They can be unsightly but with rocks, soil ,and creepers can easily be made to disapear into the garden landscape. I would consider a find like yours a Godsend.
It so happens crayfish live local and I even have some in my little fish tank on the kitchen counter. There maybe something to this. Of course no one else around raises them and there may be a reason.
But what a great idea to be investigated. Can you tell me anything about yabbie farming?
Yabbie is one Aussie term used here, but yes they are all forms of fresh water cray fish.
On photo's sorry cant do at this stage, using health dept (Government) computer not allowed to plug in private appliances.--- also until recently i thought computer was spelt ABBACUS and world wide web was something spun by a mutant spider!
To make tyre pond
chose your site, scrape a tyre width levelish footing so tyres lay fairly level, any shape you want square would be a challenge. now lay first layer fill with anything you want, soil ,rocks, rubbish (yes i used plastic, glass, crushed cans,car parts) I dont have rubbish service, local tip over 100km away, and its also my belief that humans should take ownership of the rubbish they generate. all this is then packed down by sledge hammer until very firm.
Next layer place tyre to interlock, half on one tyre half on next, and repeat as before, continue till you reach desired hight, mine is four tyres high.
When finished this stage push on wall to check firmness, stability.
Next is first outer wall, where tyres meet you will find V , place first tyre in V and start again, this round will be only 3 tyres high but do not fill top ring of this round at this stage
not over yet but getting close, one more round 2 tyres high again dont fill top ring.
At this stage I dry stone walled the outside 2 tyre level, and filled this level with garden loam, ready for planting also put first stone step/platform, fill next level with loam, next step/platform
so now i have steps to top and areas ready for planting, i did not stone wall middle level chose to hide this with gronnd cover herbs.
Next it is time to measure pond liner, down wall across base up wall .length and width allow some overhang. put some river sand or builders sand on bottom to protect from sharp edges, and lay liner use weights to hold in place over wall, in pond lay hollow logs and such on bottom ( look at enviroment your crays come from for ideas) fill almost to top, mine is 6/8 inches from top.
water plants next, again try local, i have reeds, water lillies and watercress, add crays, local river fish.
Almost done, Pave top ring with flat stone holding down pond liner excess have this stone overhang a couple of inches to prevent crays crawling away.
Last but not least fine tuning, find low point and make spillway for wet season over flow, i made mine into a dry rock bed creek leading to fruit trees. plant out and enjoy.
am thinking of lining my man made creek and leading to another but smaller pond and pumping from one to another, little flowing creek past outdoor dining?At first i had a small solar powered aquarium air stone, but i think plants are enough, creek idea will help airate the system but no probs have been noticed.
Remember use water plants that will not cause problems if they escape via overflow.
Hope this explains and changes your view of so called rubbish. everything Must have more than one use
a thing of beauty can grow from crap. I now must rest my typing finger lest it gets RSI.
Happy blisters (frozen peas/corn will help)
Many more uses for tyres if any one wishes to hear!
Anyone who has never made a mistake has never tried anything new.
* ALBERT EINSTEIN*
Jennifer Hall wrote:
I agree, if offered I would have refused... but the tires are here in my back pasture. I will have to deal with them eventually, it is not a want to thing.
Tires are famous for being a mosquito breeding ground.
I suspect I would try to get them off of my property.
paul wheaton wrote:
Tires are famous for being a mosquito breeding ground.
I suspect I would try to get them off of my property.
yea, I was not thrilled to find them... but I can only do so much so fast. First was/is to get/keep water out of my barn so I can work. Next, path from house to barn, and drives, so I can work.
Now, it is get house ready for winter so I have a place to live... it gets cold here in zone 5... and work horses.
I have invited you and several others out to help/advise... so far no takers. If I had met Fred and Amy 6 months ago things may be differant right now. I feed hay here but it is cheap... and I know people/places/things here. PR was a dream for a while though. How is Montana?
I don't know about where you live, but using the yahoo group freecycle for your area maybe a good way to share things that you don't want to mess with, with others who do
Maybe the solution for you and your 'surprise' tires is to move 'em to the end of your road and post them on freecycle....
I don't know if you have muscle on your place or not, but maybe you can drag them behind your horse to get them to the road.
Lots of maybes I know, but sometimes getting out from under a thing is the best way to go all around - if you know what I mean?
i don't think i owuld worry too much about them leaching stuff into the soil..esp if they are stacked and filled with good compost..or manure..
but if you are concerned..use things that crop above ground..such as blackberries, raspberries, blueberries..etc..
the tire planters can be cute if that is a design you like..or just after you plant them..bury the sideds of the tires too and plant them with ground covers..and then you'll have a permanently planted berm.
Kathleen Sanderson wrote:
I like Bird's yabbie pond. I can think of a number of other uses for such a construction, but he may have just told me how to build the little goldfish pond my daughter has been wanting. I can even see a swimming pool built this way, although here it would freeze in the winter. But with tire sides, freezing shouldn't do much damage. Hmmm.
You could probaly get away with a heavy duty plastic sheet for a small fish pond. As for a pool my pond is about size of a small one, but if i was doing it for a pool i would make the three tyre layer about four tyres wide, somewhere for the deck chair. Dont have the freeze problem here coldest here is 24 celcious but thats cold enough to reach for a jumper, the humidity is the killer here often 85% plus.
So taking the Mollison approach that pollution is unused excess, I have come up with some ideas to mitigate the issue of excess used tires.
I am a big fan of hedges and alternative types of walls or fences, so this went right up my alley. I read the raised bed article, and found that with a serrated edged hunting knife I was able to slice the sidewalls off of a tire in about a minute for each side. If you cut the tread, you are left with a strip of what the article calls "rubber lumber" Defending on the diameter of the tire, the strip is at least 5 feet long and often longer. I did try this type of raised beds, and I did try the potato in the tire trick. The raised beds weren't worth repeating because the tires aren't stiff enough and with the wet year we had my rebar stakes eventually fell over and it just ended up a mound of soil. I will try the potato tire stack again, but this time with compost that i did not add wood ashes to (and forgot). Suffice to say, I have LOTS of seed potatoes for next year that are about the size of a quarter.
Anyhow, i got onto the idea of taking that same "rubber lumber" and simply layering it on top of itself, screwing it down into the next level, creating sort of a laminate rubber wall. My eventual plan is to create two parallel walls wide enough apart to stack the sidewalls in, fill the empty spaces full of rocks and such, then stucco and cap it when I get to the desired height. Since I'm a big fan of hedges, planting semi-invasive vines such as wysteria and honeysuckle around it so that it will eventually drape over it should make a very nice looking, very inexpensive (though time and labor intensive) robust estate type wall. My thinking is that if the tires are put up on a rock foundation like a Cob structure and wrapped in plastic like a oehler structure (prior to being stuccoed) then a large part of the toxicity is pretty much a moot point.
But I guess it's all about what you are comfortable with. It seems that everyone agrees that tires need to be recycled but almost no one wants to congregate them anywhere to do any large scale recycling. I personally don't have an issue with them so I can envision things such as this.
the recycler/re-user in me conflicts with the organic in me.
I tend to deal with this by applying access/proximity rational- if its more energy haul it away, and said item is as toxic 'away' as here, and its 'use' is greater than its contribution to site decline, Ill keep it.
but I wouldn't bring them in.
that said, Ill take photos and try to get them up in a few months when I get back home- Ive got tires, and I'm building retaining wall, similar to whats discussed above.
I have steep slope that needs bracing, and these tires, as the concrete filled ring ends of gabions, will make nice pin heads for my retaining wall. Ive about 60 of them, so will build a 30' long 4 tire tall wall and then fill and plant it with aggressive rooters.
its a border between the house and a zone 5 penetration into the center of our project, so it can be overgrown and unmanaged as still 'functional'...http://www.flickr.com/photos/feralsophist/2446696905/
its a sector analysis, not a zone map, but where it says "village cluster"- the zone five extends down the same area marked "view", and right up to the back side of the intern cabin, so that from its deck one can look at both the gardens (upslope) and the valley view, downslope. http://www.flickr.com/photos/feralsophist/2202252724/in/set-72157603721524146/. from the bedroom loft into zone five: http://www.flickr.com/photos/feralsophist/2192809489/in/set-72157603721524146/
The top of the window about 30' feet up, and its some 40' up the tree (@ 15 feet from the house) as the slope is so steep.
the retaining wall gabion will be built just this side of the tree in the picture.
more to come!
I have made large yabbie ponds useing tyres and rubber pond liner and get several feeds each year from it.
Hello again Bird, pleas tell me more about raising yabbies. I just keep thinking about it. I think it would be like growing weeds here...and I went to several crawfish boils in Alabama and had a good time.
yabbies are basicaly vegitarian they eat decaying veg matter, in my pond its mainly their tree log homes, falling leaf/branchs, and very rarely a small handfull of veg scraps. i harvest a feed about every 6/8 weeks. pretty much they take care of themself, just go to a local creek away from the busy public parks (or walk upstream away from the busy area) sit down and watch them in the wild, try imitate nature in your pond and you should be all right they do like to burow in cold whether so a sand layer inside pond is recomended, they will also wander if not happy, hence the overhanging stone on my pond. I dont get cold here so leaf litter build up in pond is enough, just dont let pond water go stagnant, hence plants and airation. if you google yabbie farming or yabbie breeding you should get some good sites best google the crays (sorry dont know the breeds of your local crays) of your area and see what pops up
Greetings from the Northern Territory Australia
oh so much, but sure sounds worth a little thought and a great harvest...a party in a pond.
I would love to hear more about your ponds...how many ponds do you have and how big are they?
My other half laughs at my ideas but he does mostly indulges me (9 horses worth). Even he perked up and listened a little after I told him you get a harvest in like 8 weeks. He was at every boil I was in Alabama and more.
And yes, I am a forward looking girl, lol. A , great way to start my morning, and I will smile all day! Thanks for the laugh.
glad you took my last post the way it was intended, i to will now smile through the last 9hrs of work tonight, thinking of you wetting yourself laughing while trotting around the farm, dreaming of new and wonderfull cray dishes.
I started a new thread -fresh water crays- and have asked the moderator to move related posts from this thread, but i cant report my own post
thought this is right thing to do, as this post is about tyres and yabbie pond info may be lost to other members who may be interested but not interested in tyres
So if you could report this it would be great, there may be others who could throw their 2 bobs worth into the hat but missing out because of tyre title of this thread
Tyred but smiling (only 9hrs to go)