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posted 6 years ago

Is there such a thing? If not, what would be the closest thing?

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Kristen Lee-Charlson

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posted 6 years ago

Restaurants that are serving local foods - not all classified as *organic* - some raised/grown as such, some not.
(in no particular order)
BIGA Pizza
James Bar
Sean Kelly's
Red Bird
the Pearl Cafe (Front St in the same building as the Trailhead)
Scotty's Table (lower level of the Wilma)
Silk Road
Iza
SaWaDee (in the summer they grow their own veggies)
GFS Deli

I may be missing some but that is a good start. Trying to add more local food/chef connections every day.

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posted 6 years ago

Well, if there were a scale of 0 to 10 where 0 is that they get their food from the same big truck as, say, ruby's diner .... and 10 is that everything is so organic that people that are GMO sensitive to even cooking oil could eat there ....

So, if there is this 0 to 10 scale, what might be the numbers on these restaurants? Maybe some are more of an 8 and some are more a 3?

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Caitlin Elder

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posted 6 years ago

The University of Montana food court has some local grown food in it, its located in the UC building. Also so does the cafeteria, the last time I was in there I remember them having signs up on some of the food that was locally grown.

Kristen Lee-Charlson

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posted 6 years ago

Bob Marshall at Biga sources a huge amount of his menu directly form suppliers. Others source as much as they can seasonally.

I am not sure how conscientious most of these restaurants are about GMO's, especially in their cooking oils etc.

There is also the issue of supply and demand - increasing the demand of local chefs and consumers but the production has had a hard time keeping up.

Then there is the issue of local (and healthful) food in schools......

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posted 6 years ago

I wonder if we can somehow get the voices of some of these restaurants to come here and tell us a bit about their organic path.

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posted 6 years ago

Hey, EdibleMissoula, you have a good point. One which I am concerned with since my own children are in public school. Their school does have a garden, though it's certainly not large enough to provide food for all the children who attend there. Is it possible to start another thread that has to do with this subject? Or, more broadly, is it possible to add a whole other category on the subject of food/natural diets? I understand that much of this site is dedicated to food, but it's mostly dedicated to growing that food. I want to talk about eating it. haha!

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posted 6 years ago

Dear, um ... "ediblemissoula" (i would suggest that you change your display name to your name and then have your signature show off edible missoula!),

Since this is something that you know more about than (probably) the rest of us, maybe you can start to firm up an understanding for us. Maybe get an idea of which places are the most organic. I'm not sure how one might go about this, but I would very much like to favor restaurants that are more organic.

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posted 6 years ago

Alright, I'll try at least naming the best local sourcer...
Biga Pizza. Bob Marshall, Chef and Owner, does an amazingly good job of getting as many Montana products on his menu as possible, including: wheat, oil, greens (seasonally), foraged mushrooms, pork, beef.

The Catalyst is a close second, if not tied. At least according to my entirely unofficial and arguably less then educated OPINION!!

Erika Fredrikson from the Independent did a cool article last August about local foods available in town. I'm not sure if this link is the best - it seems to start into the middle of the article, but anyway, a good resource.

http://missoulanews.bigskypress.com/missoula/soup-to-nuts/Content?oid=1137946

As far as "organic" I just don't know. But I gotta guess The Good Food Store Deli is probably the most officially organic place in town.

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posted 6 years ago

Here is another link. http://missoulanews.bigskypress.com/missoula/live-to-eat/Content?oid=1161048

That other one does seem to start in the middle, but this one ends nowhere near where the other one picks up. I've noticed the Indie's archive search system is a little off in general. Perhaps there is a middle page somewhere?

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posted 6 years ago

It is my obnoxious opinion that:

A) consuming more food from close by is an excellent thing. And,

B) Consuming organic food is ten times more excellent.

And having it be officially organic isn't even that big of a deal to me. The biggest part is that pesticides are not used and there is some care about having a symbiotic relationship with the planet (as opposed to an abusive relationship).

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posted 6 years ago

Interesting. I've often wondered which is better. I think I've read somewhere that local is "better" then organic. I guess because of nutritional degradation and transportation costs (to the planet). But...I don't know. Clearly local and organic is the best.

Why do you believe that organic is ten times better? I'm curious 'cause I've thought about this a bunch.

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posted 6 years ago

I'm sure there are mountains of people with an opinion different from mine.

For me, I think that 80% or more of the sickness in america comes from gick that is used on our food. For years we have heard that beef is bad and it turns out that what's bad about it is the pesticides stored in the fat. Grass fed organic beef is, IMOO, one of the best things a human can eat today.

When I shop, I buy almost exclusively organic. The idea of eating the stuff that is soaked in pesticides really bothers me.

I like the idea of the local stuff. I do have some concerns about the math involved with some of the claims of less fuel. After all, a lot of the food is moved around on trains or huge trucks that get a pretty good efficiency per pound. I think it is possible that your average famers market food might not do as well as we like to think in petroleum used per pound of produce sold. In fact, I am reluctant to do the math because it might show that the stuff from 1500 miles away uses less petroleum than something from the bitterroot. I do think the economics is very good and I think the community factor and local good will is the tops! I just cringe when I hear people talk about the petroleum aspect.

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posted 6 years ago

Personally, I guess it depends on where "local" is and what "organic" means. I always choose to eat locally first because I feel that a strong local economy is more sustainable and beneficial to Gross National Happiness. You do have a point about the gasoline consumption, but I do believe locally delivered food uses slightly less than nationally delivered food. Plus, with the benefits of having a local network, there are options for vendors to share vehicles to brig their food to the markets, restaurants, or grocery store. It could be a sort of delivery co-op.

Then there is the idea of organic. My concern is not so much gasoline, though that article I can't remember the name of said usage was slightly higher for national delivery. No, my biggest concern is packaging. Packaging equals a greater cosumption of resources, increased energy usage to make the packaging materials and deliver them, more plastic in the world, and more garbage. I haven't heard Le Petit claim to be organic (have they?), yet, because they don't have to worry about their bread needing a high shelf life so that it can make it through thousands of miles of delivery, they are free to use a wax paper bag to hold their bread. And it tastes fresher because it is. Mmm. In my opinion, you can't put chemical free food into a plastic container that is off-gassing for several thousand miles and will continue off-gassing for billions of years (when the sun explodes) and still call it organic.

Well, you could buy organic produce and bulk items with your own containers. Works well. However, large companies have skewed and simplified the meaning of organic. These days it usually just means mono-cultures that aren't sprayed with pesticides. (I can't imagine that people in Southern California could grow chemical free food if they wanted to, considering the amount of air pollution alone. That's just my personal opinion though. No scientific studies as far as I know.) The current definition of organic is not really an effort to encourage responsible growers, this is exclusively about making money. Of course, I'm glad these large farms that were already in place are not spraying so many chemicals anymore. I will buy an organic tomato at the grocery store over non-organic if they have been delivered from about the same distance, but the insincere representation bothers me and I feel that the name organic lost it's meaning several years ago. The only real way to know what you're getting is to know your grower or meat supplier and the best way to do that is to buy local.

All of this sounds like I'm being self-righteous and would never touch a non-local and organic meal! Nope. Although I've made a lot of headway in cutting down on packaging, especially plastics, yesterday I bought a carton of yogurt and a carton of "organic" soymilk that probably contributed to clear cutting of the Amazon forest. Still, I would like to get to the point where I can have those all local/organic meals on a regular basis. I just prefer to have local first because local often strives to be organic here in Missoula and mostly because I feel more connected to my community and to the food I'm eating. Studies have shown that when your mind feels more connected to your food, your body actually absorbs more nutrition! Talk about an incentive for eating responsibly.

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posted 6 years ago

A loaded semi truck uses much less fuel per pound of cargo than a pickup truck or a van or an SUV. And I've participated in some farmers markets from the farmer perspective. And a lot of times a box truck is used, but the box truck is only 10% or 15% full when it arrives and 5% to 10% full when it leaves.

Okay, so next we mix into the picture something like spud: delivery to somebody's home once a week. The math works out that it does save fuel, and has an overall lighter footprint in many ways. There are 70 orders, the van is filled for "route K" which is a collection of houses in the same neighborhood. Far more efficient than 70 people making a trip to the grocery store.

So, I really like the idea of eating food that has a lower petroleum footprint, but just because it came from 50 miles away instead of 1500 miles away does not, unfortunately, mean that it has a lower petroleum footprint. On a related note: there are some CSA's in the seattle area where the food is grown in the neighborhood and delivered by BICYCLE! Is this an awesome fit for missoula or what?

But, of course, ultimately, nothing has as good of a petroleum footprint as a garden. Hats off to the thousand gardens project.

As for eating local: another big upside is that you can visit the farm and find out if they are aligned with your principles.

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posted 6 years ago

This is interesting. In part, I think Destini is right on. As Paul says IMOO, industrial agriculture has co-opted "organic" resulting in industrial organic. Michael Pollan writes about this a bit. BTW his new book "Food Rules" is pretty cool and cheap- only 8 bucks.

I also think that supporting local economies is crucial. Irrespective of the petroleum needed to bring food to market, local money spent locally grows in a way local money spent at safeway can't. I worked on a farm in Whitefish for two summers, it wasn't certified organic because certification is expensive and arguably political. They didn't use pesticides (I remember swatting moths with a badminton racquet for a few hours one afternoon), and they used organic fertilizer. Their products were as organic as any that come with the label, even if they weren't "organic." So there's nuance to this discussion.

I also think Paul is right and we can trace much, if not all, of our disease to pesticides and herbicides on our food. But I think there are a lot of chemicals that we use in addition to food gick that cause many of those diseases too. Importantly, organic methods reduce the nasty effects on the rest of earth - and that's huge. So many ecosystems are on the verge of collapse, largely due to chemicals that end up in the environment - a lot of the fertilizer, pesticides, herbicides etc. are washed right off the fields and into the creeks after the first watering.

So, to bring this together...To help the earth at large, organic is certainly the way to go especially knowing that many products aren't available locally (in Montana at least). But to help your community, buy local!! Paul's point about knowing the farmers, touring the farm, and even lending a hand is important too. To co-opt a quote from Forest Gump - "organic is as organic does" and you can find unofficially organic food grown locally by good people.

Ultimately you have to do your homework and learn how your food is grown as best you can.

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posted 6 years ago

Where is "red bird"?

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Robert Sunset

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posted 6 years ago

I hear they are building some kind of organic restaurant in the same building as the Missoula Food Co-Op on the west side of town near Lowell School. I thought it was supposed to open last month but they are still hammering away over there.

Might be something to check out.

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posted 6 years ago

Robert Sunset wrote:
I hear they are building some kind of organic restaurant in the same building as the Missoula Food Co-Op on the west side of town near Lowell School. I thought it was supposed to open last month but they are still hammering away over there.

Might be something to check out.

Do you know who might really know? I could send them an email.

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posted 6 years ago

I think this is the site overseeing it.

http://www.nmcdc.org/index.html

Emma Olson

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posted 6 years ago

Red bird is on Higgins, near the Wilma. It is set back a bit into an old building. They do have very good appetizers which change relatively often, leading me to believe that they use seasonal if not completely local organic food.

Emma Olson

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posted 6 years ago

The Missoula Co-op is in the process of building the Boxcar Kitchen. My friend Hermina who is helping to oversee the process, described it in this way "In its finished state--which depends on future funding--- the Kitchen will be a neighborhood cafe focusing on local and healthy foods- the goal being to make these foods more accessible for all. The Cafe will serve simple, healthy meals on a walk-in basis. The space will also act as a site for cooking workshops, free Kids Table meals through a partnership with the Missoula Food Bank, and an internship site for College of Technology Culinary Arts students who want to focus on local foods. The kitchen will be available as a shared-use "test kitchen" for small food businesses."

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Emma Olson wrote:
Red bird is on Higgins, near the Wilma. It is set back a bit into an old building. They do have very good appetizers which change relatively often, leading me to believe that they use seasonal if not completely local organic food.

One of the things that sticks in my head is the idea that "local" often means "not organic". The only time it is organic is when they say "organic". And, of course, the best stuff is "local and organic".

I think it would be cool if the indy did something where they went to missoula restaurants and tried to guage how organic they were.

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posted 6 years ago

Does anyone remember that restaurant that was located right by the Trails End Bar? It's now the Osprey Nest or something but it used to be an organic, home-made meal type of restaurant. The name escapes me but I used to go to school with the owner/chef's son. Their name was Risho.

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posted 6 years ago

It was Perugia! So good. I just found out last week that the owner's son owns the Silk Road! Can't wait to eat there now.

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posted 6 years ago

Silk road is really delicious. It is one of my favorite date spots in Missoula, because you can get several little dishes and share. Their crab dip is fabulous.

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posted 5 years ago

I think it would be great to have an all organic restaurant. And I would like to see one that serves raw food! Even the little ski town of Sun Valley ID has a totally raw food restaurant. It is a bit spendy but worth it. They have been open and successful two years running.

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posted 5 years ago

I ate at Scotty's Table recently and had the lamb. They were emphatic that it was organic!

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posted 5 years ago

My wife and I are in town from Minnesota. We ate at Scotty's Table last night and I would not go back or recommend it based on our experience.

Service was slow, though friendly. We ordered a cheese plate for an appetizer. The server simply set the plate down and politely said, "Enjoy." At other restaurants, the server would've took the time to describe the various items on the plate and pairing suggestions such as, "That is such and such cheese and it pairs very well with that apple slice there which is a such and such apple from X."

Nikki's dinner, Chicken Breast Joanne, was a mess of different flavors that didn't work well together. The main ingredient, chicken, was cooked dry.

I ordered Pork Confit. The savory griddle cakes were very good. As well as the ginger aioli. But the pork was so salty that it hurt my tounge and the portion of pork was huge. It was a huge waste of pork because it ended up in the trash and not in my gut.

Tab was a hundred bucks and totally not worth it. To be fair, about $35 were spent on wine, party because the dinner was so slow coming out that we felt the need to drink more in order to pass the time.

We ate at The Catalyst for lunch today. Super friendly and efficient servers. Very good food. We'd go back and recommend it. Coffee was a medium roast instead of the common burnt up dark roasts many other places have elsewhere. The big bowl of yogurt that came with the granola breakfast special had an awesome tangy taste and went well with the granola. Fruit was perfectly ripe.

I don't recall the sandwich Nikki got but she said her meal was far superior to last night's dinner. Which I would agree.

Cost $21.50 and way more worth it than the $100 spent at Scotty's Table.

Now, pizza for dinner?

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posted 5 years ago

I think the best pizza in town is Biga Pizza. Better than any pizza I've tried in the Seattle area. Or Denver. Or anywhere.

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posted 3 years ago

There is a new restaurant in town called the Riverside Cafe that is claiming to be farm to table. It is located on west Front Street next to the Tamarack down the street from the new distillery. I think this is the closest thing to an organic and local restaurant in Missoula. On the back of their menu they list the farms where they get all their meat and produce and change the menu regularly based on what is in season. I have been hearing wonderful things and plan to go soon. This is the Web Site; http://riversidecafemt.com anyone been?

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posted 3 years ago

riverside cafe is delicious, small portioned, and expensive. on the back of the menu, one of their local food suppliers is simply listed as "Charlie."

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posted 3 years ago

I personally do not think that the restaurant is expensive - especially when you consider the kind of sourcing they are doing - local, sustainable and organic. The food that they are purchasing is not subsidized creating that false "cheap" food mindset that is prevalent amongst consumers. They are also buying whole animals, curing their own meats, making their own sausages and can tell you where the food comes from, which is a far cry from most Missoula restaurants. At the same time, the food is not inflated in price as many of our "fine dining" establishments are.

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posted 3 years ago

totally right kristen. i was more than satisfied with what i got for what i paid. i should have said "fancy."

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posted 3 years ago

Charlie's is also a regional produce distributor. They deliver produce to the co-op and a lot of restaurants around town. This article is old but interesting and mentions Charlies produce.
http://missoulian.com/entertainment/dining/article_a478206a-e8e8-11df-b78a-001cc4c002e0.html

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posted 3 years ago

I ate at the riverside cafe last night and had a chance to visit with the chef too.

I think that this restaurant is challenging the silk road, red bird and the pearl for the title. Not only is there a healthy focus on local and organic, but the quality is amazing too.

I've decided that I need to do more research.

In the past, I've had a hard time picking "the best" restaurant in Missoula. Before last night, I had been to the top three at least three times each. And I think the silk road was edging out in front, followed closely by red bird, and then the pearl. I'm going to try riverside a couple more times to sample more from their menu, but I suspect that riverside is going to pull ahead of the silk road.

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Went back to riverside again yesterday and met Abe and Rory for lunch. Chef Derrick spotted me and visited with us a bit. Later, Charley the forager happened to stop by and we had a great visit.

I think the prices are way too low - I'm worried about the longevity of the restaurant.

The place was packed. We had to wait a couple of minutes for a table.

I really need to try their dinner.

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So last night was my first time at riverside for dinner. I had pork belly. Which was complete with the skin. Which was was crispy and delicate and amazing. Later, Derick spotted us and came out and suggested that we try a few things. There was an appetizer that was a type of charcuterie called "lardo" on a crustini with some fruits, vegetables and spices. It was amazing. Then came dessert - my favorite being the creme brulee. Creme brulee is one of my all time favorite desserts and I've probably tried about 50. And I think this was the best ever.

I have now had lunch twice at riverside. And dinner once. I've had dinner about three times at red bird, three times at the pearl, and five times at the silk road. Twice at Scotty's table.

In my opinion the best restaurants in Missoula are:

1) riverside

2) the silk road

3) red bird

4) the pearl

5) scotty's table

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Derick, at riverside, asked for the recipe for the douglas fir sorbet at the herbfarm. After some checking, here it is.

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