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paul wheaton
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We have three different things we have been calling solar carts, but the time has come to expand our vocabulary to clear things up.


Stuart will be bring this, which does seem the most likely to be called a cart:




We had this thing we called "the solar cart" which maybe should be a "trailer":




And currently nearing completion is the 3000 watt mega trailer:



Len Ovens suggested "Solarbago". Any other ideas?



 
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Would it make sense to name them by function?

I have seen 'solar trailers' which are marketing vehicles (PI) for solar installers. They contain equipment, and sales brochures, and boast large arrays of panels. They are intended to be taken on the highway.

I have seen 'solar trailers' which are living quarters (temporary or otherwise) which happen to be powered by solar panels.

I have seen 'solar carts' which are simply backup, emergency, or mobile power. And other which are vehicles with solar panels to provide power to the occupant (the winnebikeo for example), and others (like the Organic Transport Elf) which are solar boosted electric (and/or pedal) vehicles.
 
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http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=trailer
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trailer_%28vehicle%29

http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=cart
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cart

The word cart gets used when something is pulled by animals. I think though the use bike-cart could be acceptable, since a bike is powered by a human which is a type of animal. But that's even stretching it. Trailer is used for a vehicle pulled by another vehicle.

And then there are other related words:
wagon
trolley
lorry
chariot
wain
and probably others.

Or just put some word in front of trailer to clarify, like was done 700 years ago to distinguish wheeled barrows from wheelless barrows:
http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=wheelbarrow
 
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I live near the Amish and they use a lot of those terms. A cart would basically be two-wheeled. A buggy is four-wheeled and usually used to hold people but you could apply the term to a still small, but four-wheeled solar buggy. Wagon is usually applied to something much bigger than a buggy and hauls large, heavy loads but it also has seats on it. A trailer would be similar to a wagon but you wouldn't be riding in it. It would be solely for cargo, like the trailer behind a tractor, as in tractor trailer.

So, in conclusion, if it small enough to pull behind a lawn tractor or by hand and had two wheels I'd call it a solar cart.
If it has four wheels and is pulled by a lawn tractor or tractor then it is a solar buggy.
If it has four wheels and needs a tractor or 4x4 pickup then I'd call it a solar wagon or solar trailer.

Greg
 
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Personally, I like "cart, wagon and trailer" in order of size. Or we could use the old English "wain" for one of them. These are all used to bring solar power to the location, right? I enjoy the variety of topics that appear on Paul's e-mails.
 
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Cart < Wagon < Caravan but I think you should be very specific and call them by the rated capacity and storage
 
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A number suffix would be useful too for some idea of power output.
Solar blah nW
 
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Voltwagon!
 
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Good one!

So I am now leaning toward:

- solar cart (the little one)

- voltswagon (the medium sized one) (ken mart)

- solarbago (3000 watts) (len ovens)

 
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All of them are as cool sounding as the project. Regardless of what you name it the model could be and EMF (electromotive force).
 
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"voltswagon" is a big winner for the medium sized contraption.

"solarbago" seems to be losing traction. I wonder if we can come up with something that sounds like "mega-something" or "goliath" or ....

solar whale

solar leviathan

Maybe Omnipotus the Devourer of Worlds. And we can include a message on it that says "You can't eat the Earth! That's where I keep all my stuff!"

Currently i am leaning towards "solar leviathan"
 
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There are awesome name ideas out at this post on Paul's FB fan page, too.
 
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Sol War Wagon (said with an Engrish accent). It is built so heavy it reminds me of a war wagon.
 
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I think the huge one should be the "Chariot of Ra" (the sun god). This, of course, would lend itself to some awesome embellishments. Heliopolis could be the place where all the solar vehicles reside when not in use.
 
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Heliotron for the big one.

Helio Wheelio for the smallest one.
 
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Gigantiselectronus
 
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i don't care where you place it in the hierarchy of the pull behinds, but the word buggy is just delightful. plus, i think it is a more permaculturey word than cart or trailer.. more organic somehow.
 
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Cory Collins wrote:i don't care where you place it in the hierarchy of the pull behinds, but the word buggy is just delightful. plus, i think it is a more permaculturey word than cart or trailer.. more organic somehow.


I have a hard time thinking of this as a part of perma-anything. To me it is a temporary tool to be used for setting up permaculture. Setting up a food forest to last hundreds of years, we use tools that may last only decades. Also, while I do find the patter of a diesel engine to be a friendly sound (much like the rumble of an old V-twin ) I can't put the idea of the sound and the word buggy together... A buggy needs a horse. This looks like it will need a truck. There may be a more permanent horse pulled solar buggy in the future... maybe a sleigh too.
 
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paul wheaton wrote:"voltswagon" is a big winner for the medium sized contraption.

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Currently i am leaning towards "solar leviathan"


These two have stuck so far! I'm hearing "solar leviathan" as we prep for the workshop next week.
 
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Yup!


Stuarts little cart is "the solar cart"

The 750 watt contraption currently giving us power on the lab is the "voltswagon"

And the 3000 watt contraption that will be wired up during the workshop is the "solar leviathan"

 
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Here is a pretty nice picture of the solar trailer. I believe this one is the solar voltswagon.

 
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