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Anyone up for reviewing a permaculture design? No feedback since August

 
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Hey all,

I enrolled in an online permaculture course (I know, I know, should've done one in person!) and I submitted my final PDC design back in August (5 months and waiting) and . . . long story short, never received any feedback or assessment despite following up multiple times. Receipt was confirmed, but that’s where it stopped.

I’d still greatly value some constructive PDC-level critique, so I’m wondering if anyone here (PDC graduates, designers, or experienced practitioners) would be willing to review my YouTube design presentation and provide honest feedback on what works, what doesn’t, and what could be improved.

If you’re open to helping, the link is below, and you are welcome to comment either here or on the video itself.



Thanks!

Sare
 
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Sare:
WOW!
An awesome first post! Welcome to permies!!
That's a lovely, well thought out plan, beautifully organized, excellent graphics and lists. On a 1-10 scale you DEFINITELY get a 10!!

I don't know enough about your climate to be sure, but I'd question if your chickens will be too hot on the sunny side of the house in zone 10. That's the only thing I'd tag with a "consider this carefully" note, and it would NOT knock down your 10 out of 10 score.

Impressive, very well done, and I'd say you passed your class with flying colors!!

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Sare Mac wrote:I’m wondering if anyone here (PDC graduates, designers, or experienced practitioners) would be willing to review my YouTube design presentation


That's not me, so this isn't really the level of feedback you're looking for...

I agree with Pearl on the sunny chooks and it makes me wonder about the worm bin. I do vermicomposting indoors and used to take it out during the summer, but I had to keep it in the shade to prevent the black plastic drinking in the sun and cooking the worms. Maybe you have that all thought through, but worth mentioning.

Also, this presentation you created was obviously designed to convey information, not be entertaining, but I wanted to say, it was actually interesting all the way through until you started reciting the long list of plants and then it got a little dull. But seeing the various analytical techniques you used and how they applied to your specific site was great.
 
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I have never taken a formal PDC, so I can't comment from that perspective.

However, general comments:
1. I agree with Toby Hemenway, that urban/city permaculture is important and valuable and we need more of it. From that perspective alone, this design is extremely important.
2. Since I have a weird auditory issue, and am of an age where my visualization of measurements is still better in British feet than Metric, it would have been helpful to me if some of the measurements had been written on at least one of the layers. Then I could have paused the video to get a "sense" of the dimensions. (I admit this is a "me" problem, but I have learned that often when I would speak up about a problem, the next thing I knew was people telling me they'd been having trouble too, but were too shy to say anything.)
3. I am a bit worried that you're trying to do "all the things". On a small scale, this may involve a lot of upkeep (like the mint problem), so you may want to be prepared to simplify through choosing what is working best as time goes on.
4. Some things scale down, some things scale up, some things don't scale! Dividing such a small property into "Zones" is a thought exercise, but to me, the most awesome thing about urban permaculture, is that everything is so close. It's all a "kitchen garden" where grabbing something fresh to toss in the soup pot is a quick walk. Nothing is "up the hill" or a 200 meter walk to Octie's Garden. Sigh... My next garden is going to be even further from the house, but it's where the sun shines on our land. (And I suspect you don't have a deer problem where you live, so deer resistant fencing isn't a problem either!)

Over all, you've got some excellent ideas for a small space. Your family will reap the benefit of micro-nutrient filled organic food and we need much more of that in our urban areas. Good luck on turning your "plan" into some sort of reality. I would love it if you posted updates as you implement as many of these ideas as you can. It doesn't all have to happen at once, and no plan survives contact with the enemy! Patience and perseverance wishes from me!

PS. My friend has Bantam chickens. They're very friendly/sociable/smart. The eggs are small, but they taste awesome. Just an idea to consider.
 
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I'm definitely not the one judge a permaculture project but do I have a couple of questions. Curious because I'm all about water and growing stuff in water and things that live in water and playing in water.  

Pool conversion? Do you mean you are converting the existing pool into a more natural one? As in plants and fish living in it as well as recreation? Went back and watched closer, it is going to be a natural pool! You mentioned wildlife quite a bit. Do that with that pool and I imagine you'll have lots of wildlife moving in.

What exactly is the aquaculture shed and why does it cost so much? In my mind it would be something mostly to protect from freezing in winter but sounds like that may not be an issue for you.
 
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PDC graduate but not a teacher here. Great work - I think overall you’re making sensible amounts of change that will bring a lot of joy. A few points for your further consideration:
1. How does the family normally access the house? If it’s via the front garden path, will people be tempted to short-cut and form a demand-path across the southern pair of mandalas? How will you accomodate this?
2. Knowing Adelaide summers well - have you considered whether replacing the north fence with a greenhouse will create extra heat load on the house? Lovely in winter but not in summer. How could you manage this - eg vertical blinds close to the house wall, carefully considered plantings in the greenhouse to create shade…
3. Love the idea of the swimming pool becoming a natural pond - ABC iview has a Gardening Australia segment on one of these in Hobart, created in a low-cost way. This will be a huge benefit to biodiversity -can still include a swimming area if you design carefully - and could easily include some food crops such as water chestnuts. Try to get the neighbours on board if you can, as it will look messy and water quality may take a while to stabilise; some little native fish to manage mosquito larvae will be useful.
4. Are there ways you could reach out to involve/connect with the community? I think the small population in your cul-de-sac is an asset here as it is easier to form connections and a sense of neighbourhood in a smaller group.  Could you incorporate a little local seed/excess produce (jars of marmalade from those lovely citrus trees 😋) for the people in the cul-de-sac?
 
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Welcome to permies!

Apologies if I have misunderstood or missed something in your design, English is not my native language :)

Congratulations on your awesome urban design, you did a really good job!

Let me make a few comments here:
- you absolutely do not have to distinguish five Zones in your design. Due to a size of your plot, it is basically Zone 1 and 2, 3 the most, and a symbolic Zone 5
- is Zone 5 within the borders of your property, or it is rather a public zone?  You could possibly convert your Zone 4 into Zone 5
- I would plan an easy, straight access to the porch and house entry
- We know, that you are planning to collect rainwater, however we do not know where an excess of this valuable resource goes when tanks are full. Each place where water collects should have a planned, safe overflow. In your case it can go to the pool or under the fruit trees.
- You can make a small plant nursery in order to raise many plants from seeds or cuttings, in order to reduce costs of buying plants substantially, and even make a small income in a future
- small urban gardens are ideal for vertical growing, also for vines on pergolas that block excess of summer sun
- there is still a lot of space for additional container gardening, especially around the pool and lawn
- in urban settings it pays off to think about the house - Zone 0 - as the most important element that consumes most energy and resources. It is fantastic that you have solar panels and that you are planning to install batteries. Have you considered other possibilities - greywater? heating with woodstove? bokashi composting?
- do you know a book Retrosuburbia" by David Holmgren? If not, it might be interesting one for you.

All the best with implementation of your design, and please do not forget to take BEFORE and AFTER photos!
 
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Hi All,
Thanks for your prompt responses! It's helpful to get feedback finally!
*Pearl - Thanks for your note on the position of the Chickens. My husband had made that comment as well, and my solution for keeping them cool is to have the rainwater tank that will be in that corner on stilts and adjacent to their run to help with heat regulation and also for them to shelter under on hot days. My herb garden to the north of the chicken run will need some shade cloth behind it, with a section of some kind of decorative panel to shade the chickens even in winter.
*Christopher - Thanks for that note about the vermicomposting. We have had a few disasters with our vermicomposting over the years, due to Adelaide's hot, dry summers, and to be honest, my neglect! However, our empty 'broccoli box' worm bins ended up housing some wild bees, so less compost, more pollination, I guess! To address your concern, I think again some shade cloth, perhaps also rotating my bins so that they are north of the vermicompost section instead of on the east, would help to shade the northern sun more, and would actually help with access to the bins, as there is a footpath there anyway.
*Jay - Sorry about the lack of imperial measurements. That's just typical ignorance, and me forgetting there is a whole set of people in the world who don't go by metric! For reference, my entire block is about 4,500square  feet, and the house takes up 1700 of that, and the Pool takes up about 200 square feet. I have a very busy plan, but this was supposed to be for my PDC, so I was keen to work on all the things! We definitely won't be going ahead with the aquaculture shed, as the algal bloom has subsided, and we hardly ever eat fish, so it wouldn't be worth the cost for us. It is definitely an advantage to be able to have gardens in proximity, and I had thought of creating a 'shortcut' through the mandala beds, which may still happen; however,  I know myself, and if I'm not forced to walk past a section, it may well get neglected! As to updates on our progress, we have an opportunity to purchase a 10 acre farm, however, the vendor is a severe hoarder, so it would be a lot of work and money to fix, so we are now in a bit of limbo as to whether we go ahead with my permaculture plan for our property, as in our neighbourhood, sadly, it would lower our buyer pool as everyone here wants, lawn, box hedge and standard roses! On the upside, I get to draw up another plan for our prospective property while we wait for our friends 'hoarder friend' to set their affairs in order, which, with our friends' help, is likely to take most of this year. Also, love bantam chooks (chickens), have had many over the years, but due to my naivety at this property before learning permaculture principles, I brought them an inappropriate coop, so the smell became an issue. I have since done loads of research into more appropriate ways to keep chickens, so this should be prevented next time around!
*Mark - The aquaculture shed that I was suggesting we could change our pool shed into would facilitate fish tanks with various growing mediums on top to keep the water clear. We don't have any freezing in this part of Australia, but this part of the plan was definitely only an option, and the slight need for it has passed, and if I'm being honest with myself, even though growing my own protein in the form of fish in my backyards seems awesome to the 'prepper' in me, it is not practical as none of my children touch fish, and my husband and I are very occasional eaters.
*Rachel - Thanks for your observations about the path and heat from the North. I'm definitely thinking the plan could have the possibility of creating a shortcut through the mandala beds, but, as above, we will be postponing work on it until I find out more about our option to purchase a 10-acre farm. Your observation about heat in summer is absolutely right, and I would mitigate sun and heat with shade cloth blinds that could be rolled up independently from the cafe blinds, to help with shade and ventilation. Our Cul-de-sac community is lovely, and it would be a small source of income, I'm sure, as a number of my neighbours would definitely like eggs and are very much into gardens!
*Richard - Thanks for your input. Our zone 5 is council land, so I have no official control over it, but as I know our neighbours well, no one will complain if we plant it out; in fact, they may help me do so! Great point about the rainwater excess, and I would use it to overflow into the gardens; however, we only get about 450mm (17.7 inches) of rain per year, so I'm not too worried about overflow! Having a profitable nursery is a great idea, and I do have some provisions in the plan for vertical growing.  Our existing space around the pool and lawn is needed for our 2 dogs, as they wouldn't have anywhere to go, and they are Miniature poodles, so not necessarily lap dogs. As far as zone 0, in our area, operating a wood stove comes with an abundance of red tape (Australia is definitely turning into a nanny state!), and we don't have a massive need, due to our mild climate, I like the idea of grey water though, I had forgotten about this, my mum used to have a hose come out of the washing machine to water her orange trees, and I could certainly add that for our grape vine! I have read Retrosuburbia, although it was a long time ago, so I've probably forgotten more than I can remember about it (time for a re-read)!

Sorry for the mammoth post, but I'm so thankful for everyone's feedback and wanted to address all your comments!

 
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