nick bramlett wrote:Was just reading the big black permaculture bible, and in there it said, "grass is the enemy of orchards."
Ben Zumeta wrote:" I would say its great for the medium term or with rotations and with proper pruning or support for your heavy bearing trees.
Bryant RedHawk wrote:Quite interesting commentary in this thread, but many of the ideas are not born out in the real world of commercial orchards, most of them do have grasses growing amongst the trees.
I have been to several walnut orchards and pecan orchards that have grasses mixed with legumes growing all around the trees, most of the apple orchards I've been to have similar setups as do peach orchards.
Where the trees shade the ground, grasses don't grow thick but quite sparsely, these observations don't concur with the statements referred to here.
Fruit and Nut trees do very well in these orchards, most of the orchard-men keep the "carpet" cut low, 2.5 inches maximum height.
These orchards are older, well established and produce tons of product per acre and have done so for over 20 years.
grasses and legumes hold soil in place, have a cooling effect on the tree roots and they also help sequester carbon into the soil and plant matter.
Tyler Ludens wrote:Mesquite also seems to grow in grass here. Both Mesquite and regrowth Cedar are markers of poor grazing management.
Ben Zumeta wrote:If the trees’ photosynthesis is unimpeded by other plants, in the vast majority of cases, grasses and other plants are beneficial in the long run to the whole system and in turn the trees themselves
Trees work on long term strategies, and it is even more absurd to apply our short term, little guy capitalist mindsets to their care than it is with grains.