old and moldy deep roots - an alternative to buying land at wheaton labs

Natalie Kulik wrote:I have a few questions regarding deep roots. If we decide to start living as deep roots, obviously wofati or tiny house has to be build. Is there some folks on the lab who can build it, and at what price and when?

Natalie Kulik wrote:Also, probably you already have some deep roots folks who were in the same situation. How they approached this challenge? Where they lived while their wofati/tiny house was build?

Natalie Kulik wrote:How many deep roots folks you already have living a full time? What their daily tasks/chores are?

Natalie Kulik wrote:Currently, besides the contraction what other job/tasks can be done on the lab for wage/reward?

Jocelyn Campbell wrote:
Q. Do you have suggestions what a family could do to both help build/support the empire/wheaton labs and earn money?
A. Paul supports and envisions people coming up with their own homestead-style industries or work. We do not want folks living here and commuting to a job in town. Paul outlined some paid job ideas in the paid job on lab / build infrastructure thread which are construction-type jobs. One example of a homestead-type income is that Paul's household here currently purchases meat from his brother Tim's cattle.

Natalie Kulik wrote:What other challenges we should expect in the beginning?

Jocelyn Campbell wrote: ... Q. How far is base camp from the lab - especially section 1?
A. Base camp and the lab are close together: a little over a mile as the crow flies, and a little over two miles by road. Which is a comfortable biking distance apart, though a bit long to walk on a regular basis. Section 1 in both the laboratory and the new Armin property next to it are the first part that you reach at the lab.

Q. Do you have parcels for sale? Where are the section 1 parcels?
A. Deep roots is not a parcel sale. It's different than that. We are not selling land. We're calling it a deep roots spot, not a parcel, and the spots are selected out of many acres by the person signing up for deep roots. Currently, there is a lot of acreage to choose from in picking your spot, though this is likely to change as time goes by. The section 1 spots at the lab are in the first part of the land that a person reaches at the lab and Armin's adjacent property. As you go further into the property, the restrictions tighten up.

paul wheaton wrote:...All current deep roots owners get an additional acre added to their plot.  

... for the next seven days:   two acres for the current one acre price.   https://permies.com/t/57467/tnk/fishing-coin-july

Lacia Lynne Bailey wrote:

paul wheaton wrote:...All current deep roots owners get an additional acre added to their plot.  

... for the next seven days:   two acres for the current one acre price.   https://permies.com/t/57467/tnk/fishing-coin-july

Forgive me, I've read all I can for hours and do not see the answers, but I don't always find what I need on this site.  My inadequacy of attention, smaller computing power and screen probably.

Couple questions:
1.  Will this mean for current owners that their acres will likely be not contiguous?  Are people choosing acres that are separated?
2.  With the hexagonal layout, how are access roads being handled?   Even in the sections with less vehicles allowed, there's still some electric and/or people will be using horse carts or ?
3.  On the "no vehicles" variations, I'm assuming that means on a regular basis after some initial move in of materials or ?
4.  The last prices I see are from a couple years ago, I assume those are the "current" ones?
5.  Is there any separate news/email/forum for deep roots owners?  Or all communication and planning is public here somewhere?
6.  Is there a map?  Sorry, I've not been able to find one after a long time of looking here.

Lacia Lynne Bailey wrote:
Forgive me if I've missed it, is there a simple map of the parcels and site, what is already spoken for etc.?

Lacia Lynne Bailey wrote:
1.  Will this mean for current owners that their acres will likely be not contiguous?  Are people choosing acres that are separated?

2.  With the hexagonal layout, how are access roads being handled?   Even in the sections with less vehicles allowed, there's still some electric and/or people will be using horse carts or ?

3.  On the "no vehicles" variations, I'm assuming that means on a regular basis after some initial move in of materials or ?

4.  The last prices I see are from a couple years ago, I assume those are the "current" ones?

5.  Is there any separate news/email/forum for deep roots owners?  Or all communication and planning is public here somewhere?

6.  Is there a map?

where is this at?

is there water to the area?

paul wheaton wrote:
a couple of maps: https://permies.com/t/49643/labs/Maps-wheaton-laboratories

paul wheaton wrote:I should say that I am hopeful that while a resident might have one or two acres, that they will bring a variety of animals and make use of dozens or hundreds of acres.   I wish to do something that is like a salatin-style-fiefdom where the same 100 acres serves 40 different symbiotic business models.  

Jocelyn Campbell wrote:

paul wheaton wrote:
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paul wheaton wrote:I should say that I am hopeful that while a resident might have one or two acres, that they will bring a variety of animals and make use of dozens or hundreds of acres.   I wish to do something that is like a salatin-style-fiefdom where the same 100 acres serves 40 different symbiotic business models.  

The map really drives this home, I think. When Tim and Kristie had cattle and pigs at the lab, their animals' favorite place to graze was the dances with pigs meadow, which one land restoration expert thought could be a very ancient meadow (meaning it's likely a resilient, stable, healthy grassland eco-system). Besides access to hundreds of acres for grazing, a resident could own one or two critters, yet combine them in a herd with other animals owned by other residents, both for the animal's sake and the people's sake.

Very awesome.  I grew up with some open rangeland and its a good model if people are responsible.  Each species has a larger area to find their niche, more of it gets appropriately used.

I'm late to this deal. Pretty interested, $8-16K for 2 acres is doable and enticing, but need a real map with the different deep roots sections.  I don't know why I get so overwhelmed on this website, but every post seems to reference so many others and I get lost trying to compile the info I need.  I get the privacy maps issue, I'm surprised to see names, I was just looking for a block map of the various deep roots sections, blocks of what's staked already, clear maker of main features, etc.

how do you feel about some more exotic pets (after integration and caged properly) such as sugar gliders and iguanas to list a few?

Kristen Phillips wrote:So if I buy 2 acres, when I die the land goes back to you? Would like there to be a way to pass it down to my kids

paul wheaton wrote:

Kristen Phillips wrote:So if I buy 2 acres, when I die the land goes back to you? Would like there to be a way to pass it down to my kids

The only way to pass it to your kids is if I thought you were cool and they were cool so I gifted it to your kids.

Kristen Phillips wrote:
Haha. Okay.  So what happens if we outlive you? Just hypothetical.. we are in our early 30's

Kristen Phillips wrote:Sounds good. I think we will be in contact and try to come this summer for boots or to do the 'buying' thing. How much is the current price for a 1 acre plot and for a 2 acre? We'd want to pay in 1 lump sum.

Kristen Phillips wrote:By one person what do you mean?

And I'm assuming permits, etc. aren't a problem?

Jack Nelson wrote:As of April 29, 2017, how many "boots-to-roots" spots are still available?

How many total deep roots plots will you have in each section?

And what will the land around the plots be used for?

is any deep root person able to use any of the entire land (200 acres?) that is not a "private" plot?

But we would want internet access once in a while.

If I wanted to own a car for occasional use, is there a space somewhere to keep it?

What if someone living within husp left the land and ate somewhere else....would they need to spend a day detoxing and pooping in in another zone before entering husp?

For building within husp, can allowed materials be brought in? Glass?

Why are no fires allowed within husp? Why not a beeswax candle?

Cayo Seraphim wrote: why is husp only a mental exercise?

I keep thinking that it is for a mental exercise rather than anybody actually trying to build and live that way.  I suppose people do love a challenge.  

Someone could have one acre in husp and one acre outside husp and go get warm by the wood stove outside of husp and eat a pot of stew and take a hot bath and then go back home to husp? For a luxurious husp life...

Keshav Boddula wrote:speaking more literally of "the agreement going south" - Josh Ritchey, i like this idea (good values, land stewardship, and like-minded neighbors), but feel i am more fitting for a place closer to the equator... like southern india, mexico, etc.  any ideas?