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We have lived by the assumption that what was good for us would be good for the world. ... We have been wrong. We must change our lives, so that it will be possible to live by the contrary assumption that what is good for the world will be good for us. . . We must recover the sense of the majesty of the creation and the ability to be worshipful in its presence. For it is only on the condition of humility and reverence before the world that our species will be able to remain in it.

Wendell Berry, The Long-Legged House

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May Day has two meanings, both of which are directly applicable to today. It commemorates the solidarity of the labor movement (139 years ago today, workers gathered in the streets of Chicago to demand an eight-hour day).

“Mayday!” is also a distress signal used by pilots to indicate imminent danger or a life-threatening emergency (derived from the French phrase “m’aider,” meaning “help me”).

Robert Reich

https://text.npr.org/nx-s1-5382560
https://lite.cnn.com/2025/05/01/us/50501-movement-anti-trump-protests

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Three: there is May Day, the spring celebration. In the midst of the mayhem and injustice, remember to stay close to nature and celebrate the cyclical renewal of life!

Wisdom is the principal thing; therefore get wisdom: and with all thy getting get understanding. -Proverbs 4:7

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thanks for the reminder Maieshe!

https://permies.com/t/35594/pictures-flowers-Happy-Day

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“The very least you can do in your life is figure out what you hope for. And the most you can do is live inside that hope. Not admire it from a distance but live right in it, under its roof.”
― Barbara Kingsolver, Animal Dreams

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“If we will have the wisdom to survive,
to stand like slow-growing trees
on a ruined place, renewing, enriching it,
if we will make our seasons welcome here,
asking not too much of earth or heaven,
then a long time after we are dead
the lives our lives prepare will live there…”
— Wendell Berry

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"Our economy is rooted in scarcity, competition, and the hoarding of resources, and we have surrendered our values to a system that actively harms what we love. Meanwhile, the serviceberry’s relationship with the natural world is an embodiment of reciprocity, interconnectedness, and gratitude. The tree distributes its wealth—its abundance of sweet, juicy berries—to meet the needs of its natural community. And this distribution ensures its own survival."

“Serviceberries show us another model, one based upon reciprocity, where wealth comes from the quality of your relationships, not from the illusion of self-sufficiency.”

Robin Wall Kimmerer
'The Serviceberry'
abundance and reciprocity in the natural world

"We're all just walking each other home." -Ram Dass
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"I find that art is always much more important than politics.
There are wars, and the kings do this or that,
but I think art and culture have much more impact on the changing of humanity."
-Wolfgang Laib

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if each day falls
inside each night
there exists a well
where clarity is imprisoned.
we need to sit on the rim
of the well of darkness
and fish for fallen light
with patience.

~Pablo Neruda
(1904-1973, Chilean poet and diplomat)

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I wonder now how the foreign policies of the United States would look if we thought of all children everywhere as our own. Then we could never drop an atomic bomb on Hiroshima, or napalm on Vietnam, or wage war anywhere, because wars, especially in our time, are always wars against children, indeed our children.
Howard Zinn, A People’s History of the United States: 1492 - Present

"We're all just walking each other home." -Ram Dass
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TO BE HOPEFUL in bad times is not just foolishly romantic. It is based on the fact that human history is a history not only of cruelty, but also of compassion, sacrifice, courage, kindness.
What we choose to emphasize in this complex history will determine our lives. If we see only the worst, it destroys our capacity to do something. If we remember those times and places—and there are so many—where people have behaved magnificently, this gives us the energy to act, and at least the possibility of sending this spinning top of a world in a different direction.
And if we do act, in however small a way, we don’t have to wait for some grand utopian future. The future is an infinite succession of presents, and to live now as we think human beings should live, in defiance of all that is bad around us, is itself a marvelous victory.

Howard Zinn

"We're all just walking each other home." -Ram Dass
"Be a lamp, or a lifeboat, or a ladder."-Rumi
"It's all one song!" -Neil Young

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We don't have to engage in grand, heroic actions to participate in the process of change. Small acts, when multiplied by millions of people, can transform the world.

Howard Zinn

"We're all just walking each other home." -Ram Dass
"Be a lamp, or a lifeboat, or a ladder."-Rumi
"It's all one song!" -Neil Young

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"an economy based on waste is inherently and hopelessly violent and war is it's inevitable out come. We need a peaceable economy"

Wendell Berry

"We're all just walking each other home." -Ram Dass
"Be a lamp, or a lifeboat, or a ladder."-Rumi
"It's all one song!" -Neil Young

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Judith Browning wrote:
“Serviceberries show us another model, one based upon reciprocity, where wealth comes from the quality of your relationships, not from the illusion of self-sufficiency.”

Robin Wall Kimmerer
'The Serviceberry'
abundance and reciprocity in the natural world

It has taken days for this quote (in its totality) to drop within, settle and sprout.
The bit about "the illusion of self-sufficiency" was a seed with thorns or other sharp bits, keeping me wondering what it was - other than having had pursued self-sufficiency myself for a couple of years.
And suddenly, today, the a-ha is there. At my previous address, the neighbours were taking self-sufficiency to a totally new level. Subconsciously, it felt as if they were shutting themselves off from the community. Every solar panel, every water tank, their five years' worth of wood for heating made me feel a tad sad inside.
Helping makes us humans happy, sharing is a gift that radiates joy all around.

And again, R.W. Kimmerer is such a lovely author!!
Thank you, Judith, for sharing!

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Thank you for the reflections, Nina!

I believe we now have quotes from all three of Kimmerer’s books.

Another from Braiding Sweetgrass came to me regarding some reflections on smoke and “waste” and sharing and reciprocity.

“ Early colonists on Turtle Island were stunned by the plenitude they found here, attributing the richness to the bounty of nature. Settlers in the Great Lakes wrote in their journals about the extraordinary abundance of wild rice harvested by Native peoples; in just a few days, they could fill their canoes with enough rice to last all year. But the settlers were puzzled by the fact that, as one of them wrote, ‘the savages stopped gathering long before all the rice was harvested.’ She observed that ‘the rice harvest starts with a ceremony of thanksgiving and prayers for good weather for the next four days. They will harvest dawn till dusk for the prescribed four days and then stop, often leaving much rice to stand unreaped. This rice, they say, is not for them but for the Thunders. Nothing will compel them to continue, therefore much goes to waste.’ The settlers took this as certain evidence of laziness and lack of industry on the part of the heathens. They did not understand how Indigenous land-care practices might contribute to the wealth they encountered.”

Now going very purple for a moment…

I was trying the other day to unsuccessfully wrangle the fire into making less smoke. (No, I don’t have a rocket mass heater though that would probably be nice…) Eventually the thought occurred to me, is there anyone who feeds on the smoke? In a relativistic human sense we think that smoke is bad. But in some cultures smoke is what carries burnt offerings and sacrifices to the gods to feast on. It feeds the gods. And so the smoke is perhaps a sign of wealth, a sign of sharing what one has with the unseen. .

I was talking with a friend and she brought up the issue of a ghost in her house and mentioned trying to address the issue and eventually giving up. I said, have you tried feeding the ghost? And she hadn’t even thought of that. Not that I think anything is wrong with that, it’s just not something we hear about very often as a rule.

Maybe that is the role of sacrifice of whatever sort—not to make us poor, or to bribe the spirits into making us rich, but only to affirm our own wealth. Maybe it is not a wasting but a sharing with Nature. Showing that even though we might not have a lot to give, all that we don’t need we do give. Giving food to the medicine plants which heal us, to the divine beings all around, to the animals who come to graze on our fields and gardens, to the fungi and microorganisms in the earth.

Also if we have enough to give as a rule, then the earth and other beings will be filled up by the gifts and they will come back to us. If we let the deer graze at the field as a rule, then the next growing season we get a failed harvest, it won’t be as bad because the deer, having been fed by us, may come back around and feed us in return when we are starving. There is a role for extravagance.

I don’t have the book with me now but I believe in the Serviceberry there was a section on the world giving thanks to us. In Braiding Sweetgrass, the part about being loved by the earth.

I haven’t read it in a while but need to reread Pilgrim at Tinker Creek. I loved it the first time and it spoke that way about the extravagance, not the frugality, of Nature.

Wisdom is the principal thing; therefore get wisdom: and with all thy getting get understanding. -Proverbs 4:7

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Now going very purple for a moment…

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"We're all just walking each other home." -Ram Dass
"Be a lamp, or a lifeboat, or a ladder."-Rumi
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At the risk of derailing the original purpose of this thread, I'm going to indulge in the delicate atmosphere that has emerged...
Thank you Maieshe, for bringing in your purple vibes (I don't know what purple in this context means, haha!)

Maieshe Ljin wrote:

I was trying the other day to unsuccessfully wrangle the fire into making less smoke. (…) Eventually the thought occurred to me, is there anyone who feeds on the smoke? In a relativistic human sense we think that smoke is bad. But in some cultures smoke is what carries burnt offerings and sacrifices to the gods to feast on. It feeds the gods. And so the smoke is perhaps a sign of wealth, a sign of sharing what one has with the unseen. .

As we become more quiet (our mind stops chattering and we enter the flow of life), the more subtle voice of our intuition can be heard. I believe telepathy and all the clair-senses ( -cognience, -voyant, -audiant…) are available to all of us there, in the no-mind state of being.
So yes, maybe you were hearing the communication of a spirit, enjoying what ever qualities were released by the smoke? Sharing the moment, maybe warmth, with that spirit or being?
Smoke can be used as a vehicle, a transmitter of messages (prayers) and nourishment, certainly fragrance, for the spirit world to enjoy.
(Or to expel spirits, cleanse and thus heal, like we can do with smudging someone or a space.)

I was talking with a friend and she brought up the issue of a ghost in her house and mentioned trying to address the issue and eventually giving up. I said, have you tried feeding the ghost? And she hadn’t even thought of that. Not that I think anything is wrong with that, it’s just not something we hear about very often as a rule.

That’s a good idea, perhaps, feeding the ghost – I’m sure it would like that very much! In my understanding, ghosts are the spirit of people who died very suddenly, or are so attached to their personal surroundings they find it hard to make the transition to the spirit world. I wrote about it, here.

Maybe that is the role of sacrifice of whatever sort—not to make us poor, or to bribe the spirits into making us rich, but only to affirm our own wealth. Maybe it is not a wasting but a sharing with Nature. Showing that even though we might not have a lot to give, all that we don’t need we do give. Giving food to the medicine plants which heal us, to the divine beings all around, to the animals who come to graze on our fields and gardens, to the fungi and microorganisms in the earth.

Nature, the whole natural world, is abundant by default. It amazes me every single time to see the blossoming of a fruit tree - SO many flowers for the pollinators to feast on! Or any growth-creation of nature, it's all abundant. And it gets 'balanced out' by the elements but yes, it's a fascinating dance. And we are invited to join in, as natural creators, to create abundance - it gives so much satisfaction, a mighty good feeling, to give. We're a part of the great family of Nature and it gives us a sense of belonging when we participate, when we create, tend and give.

I don’t have the book with me now but I believe in the Serviceberry there was a section on the world giving thanks to us. In Braiding Sweetgrass, the part about being loved by the earth.

Yes, and this love can be felt, just like the love of an animal we love, that take care of and then they love us back (if they choose to :) ) . For me it feels like 'silent music', a harmonious quality emitting from the land and its living beings. The land speaks to us, and we can hear it if we redirect our focus from the mind to the here and now, this moment, in this place.

Thank you for this conversation! <3

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not derailing at all Nina!
thank you and Maieshe both for your lovely ways of thinking💜

and as far as 'purpose' for this thread I just wanted a way to throw some positive thoughts out there to the universe and used the 'safety' of ethics and philosophy forum to attempt.

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Practice and make of yourself a light.
Become a beacon of hope
right where you are.
This is possible for you.

~Jack Kornfield
(1945 to pres., Clinical psychologist
and Buddhist meditation teacher)

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Mission accomplished, then!

I'm loving the quotes - and the conversation, thank you Judith, for putting in the effort of serving us literary diamonds!

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If we want to know the healing power
that is within us now,
then we need to join our awareness
with our strength,
and that is not fear but love.
Choosing love puts us in the flow of truth
and our real power,
whereas choosing fear casts us
into the rabbit hole of hate, anger,
attack, judgment, depression,
and an endless list of limiting, diminishing thoughts
that spiral us down, down, down
until we no longer see a way out.
If we truly believe
that Love is our Source,
then we must assume
that all of its characteristics,
such as kindness, holiness,
helpfulness, and perfection,
are also true for us.

~Beverly Hutchinsonj McNeff
(Spiritual teacher, author,
co-founder Miracle Distribution Center)

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"Be a lamp, or a lifeboat, or a ladder."-Rumi
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To be alive in this beautiful, self-organizing universe -- to participate in the dance of life with senses to perceive it, lungs that breathe it, organs that draw nourishment from it -- is a wonder beyond words.

Joanna Macy

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"Be a lamp, or a lifeboat, or a ladder."-Rumi
"It's all one song!" -Neil Young

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Prayer

It doesn’t have to be
the blue iris, it could be
weeds in a vacant lot, or a few
small stones; just
pay attention, then patch
a few words together and don’t try
to make them elaborate, this isn’t
a contest but the doorway
into thanks, and a silence in which
another voice may speak.

~Mary Oliver
(1935 to 2019 American Poet)

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Overcoming poverty is not a gesture of charity.
It is an act of justice.
It is the protection of a fundamental human right,
the right to dignity and a decent life . . .

Nelson Mandela

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"It's all one song!" -Neil Young

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Agape means understanding,
redeeming good will for all men.
It is an overflowing love
which is purely spontaneous,
unmotivated, groundless, and creative.
It is not set in motion by any quality
or function of its object.
Agape is disinterested love.
It is a love in which the individual seeks
not his own good,
but the good of his neighbor.
Agape does not begin by discriminating
between worthy and unworthy people,
or any qualities people possess.
It begins by loving others for their sakes.
It is an entirely “neighbor-regarding concern for others,”
which discovers the neighbor
in every man it meets.
Therefore, agape makes no distinction
between friends and enemy;
it is directed toward both.

~Dr. Martin Luther King Jr
(1929-1968, Minister and Activist)

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We habitually erect a barrier called blame that keeps us from communicating genuinely with others, and we fortify it with our concepts of who's right and who's wrong. We do that with the people who are closest to us and we do it with political systems, with all kinds of things that we don't like about our associates or our society.

It is a very common, ancient, well-perfected device for trying to feel better. Blame others....Blaming is a way to protect your heart, trying to protect what is soft and open and tender in yourself. Rather than own that pain, we scramble to find some comfortable ground.
Pema Chodron

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If the world is to be healed through human efforts,
I am convinced it will be by ordinary people,
people whose love for this life is even greater than their fear.
Joanna R. Macy

"We're all just walking each other home." -Ram Dass
"Be a lamp, or a lifeboat, or a ladder."-Rumi
"It's all one song!" -Neil Young

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That last quote is so amazing!

It is a very common, ancient, well-perfected device for trying to feel better. Blame others....Blaming is a way to protect your heart, trying to protect what is soft and open and tender in yourself. Rather than own that pain, we scramble to find some comfortable ground.

I also wanted to mention a nuance to this. For a while I was very into Buddhist philosophy and a particular interpretation of it. I got to the point where I could sort of ignore or pass through pain and suffering and give up “trying to protect what is soft and tender”. It eventually hurt me in many ways in both mind and body. I could become totally apathetic and uncaring and it was very hollow and unsatisfying in the end not to mention harmful.

I don’t think this is how the Buddha’s true teaching is, but in many interpretations there is an emphasis on enduring, renouncing, not being emotional or easily agitated, being sort of stone-like and letting go of worldly cares. Maybe it is an outer sheath of the teaching—see the Heartwood Sutta—but I believe the real emphasis is truth itself. And in truth, there can be blame, there can be clinging and stoic renunciation, there can be suffering and joy, there can be anything.

I think that on a few occasions the Buddha showed some form of “enlightened irritation” especially in regards to noisy people. https://www.dhammawheel.com/viewtopic.php?t=20200

Now I’m finding that protecting what is soft and tender is really something worth doing, the only thing worth doing really. But doing it with wisdom and understanding, rather than violent ignorance.

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hi Maieshe,
I am so scattered I've never settled into any one way of thinking but I do appreciate that most religions and spiritual areas have a common thread so many have positions and ways of thinking I relate to.

...and I recognize that many may have more dogmatic fringes although I don't see that at all in Pema Chodron's thinking?

I'm sorry you've had that experience.
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You are the sky.
Everything else – it’s just the weather.
Pema Chödrön

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Judith Browning wrote:hi Maieshe,
I am so scattered I've never settled into any one way of thinking but I do appreciate that most religions and spiritual areas have a common thread so many have positions and ways of thinking I relate to.

...and I recognize that many may have more dogmatic fringes although I don't see that at all in Pema Chodron's thinking?

I'm sorry you've had that experience.
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That is a good way to be I think!

It was mostly my own issue.

Wisdom is the principal thing; therefore get wisdom: and with all thy getting get understanding. -Proverbs 4:7

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This must be a world of democracy and respect for human rights,
a world freed from the horrors of poverty, hunger, deprivation and ignorance,
relieved of the threat and the scourge of civil wars and external aggression
and unburdened of the great tragedy of millions forced to become refugees.

Nelson Mandela

"We're all just walking each other home." -Ram Dass
"Be a lamp, or a lifeboat, or a ladder."-Rumi
"It's all one song!" -Neil Young

Judith Browning

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Deep within us, amid our differentiations
as individuals and nations and species,
is the desire for oneness.
This holy longing is found
not only in the human soul
but in the soul of the universe,
at the heart of everything that has being.
We are not an exception to the universe.
We are an expression of the universe.
Our longings are a unique manifestation
of the universe's longings.
We and all people, we and those who have gone before us,
we and all creatures, we and the universe
are traveling together in one river of life.
We carry each other within us.
And the universe carries us within itself.

~John Philip Newell
(1953 to pres., Scholar and teacher of Celtic spirituality)

"We're all just walking each other home." -Ram Dass
"Be a lamp, or a lifeboat, or a ladder."-Rumi
"It's all one song!" -Neil Young

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