Chris Kott wrote:It seems to me that people are grouping opinions into the categories of "science" and "everything else." Am I the only one who finds this style of deliberate polarization manipulative and insulting?
Heather Davis wrote:I took a weekend permaculture workshop earlier this year and the host added in a closing circle, smudge and her native american chanting ritual of some sort at the end. I excused myself and left. It was annoying and as my first experience with permaculture workshops, I formed an opinion that what they did was inappropriate for the workshop, as it had been advertised. I'm not sure if the PDC teacher was the one who initiated the circle, or not. Either way, I'll look for permaculture without chanting or circles.
Dale Hodgins wrote:
Heather was unable to enjoy the end of the workshop or to say proper goodbyes to her classmates.
leila hamaya wrote:
my take on permaculture then was that it was basically neo paganism/animism without the spirituality, and with any of the woo stuff, or seeming woo stuff, very deliberately not mentioned. i do not expect anyone to agree with this, dont claim this as fact or anything, and would not want to box anyone into this, you can self identify any way you like or disagree. permaculture as a movement should self identify any way people want to.....this was just my subjective take on it, that sticks in my perception. i even would go so far as to say it is good....because of those perceptions and biases, and because of how spirituality and religions have become such dividing factors, to make a new thing, aligned with animism's ideals and ethics, similar to the core of paganism, yet deliberately not mentioning anything that would be perceived (or mispercieved) as religious or spiritual. but i still think theres a huge connection there, the ethics of permaculture, the ideas at the core of it, whats behind it, seems very much a rehashing of animism/pagan ideologies with the spirituality deliberately stripped away. (IMOO)
The reason the teachers were registered, why there was a teacher's registration mainly put up is because some teachers were missing out subjects - particularly earth works and some teachers were teaching metaphysics and we are not about metaphysics. So, we are about science and ethics.......and not metaphysics. The unproven sciences will discredit and dilute our system.
Jennifer Wadsworth wrote:I thought that too, Leila, but his image is all over the PRI site, he's in videos, etc. Gambling is probably the more likely issue. Or not.
David Livingston wrote:Since most people here seem to agree that Permaculture does not need woo or purple stuff , then should not be the question why does purple stuff need permaculture.
leila hamaya wrote:strongly disagree ^^^^^
anyway not all religions/spiritual paths work with the whole "fear of god" concept, or even the god concept!
leila hamaya wrote: as far as i am concerned the whole concept of an old white guy god being, high above and detached from life being a fearful bully, is all non sense and a damaging concept.
leila hamaya wrote:
i cant speak for anyone else, but i am neither threatened nor suspicious of moral non religious people, and i do not see others being this way either. i certainly think people can and SHOULD have morals , and recognize the importance of respecting and understanding nature...irrespective of subscribing or not subscribing to any particular religion/spirituality.
Dale Hodgins wrote:I wonder if Paul foresaw where this thread would go. I don't normally claim to be a prophet, but it seemed obvious from the beginning that the subject would cause some squabbling.