No probs. Just didn't want a few obscure studies to outweigh the well-proven and exceptional qualities of this tree. Not all the uses are nutritional either..... tanning... dyeing... making paper...etc.
Don't get me wrong, Cyara - I think it is an amazing plant, and I am glad that you started this thread. I had come across the name of the plant before, but didn't know much about it. I now plan on putting in a hedge of it near my citrus.
I want to look into the matter of calcium locked up as calcium oxalate. It is one of the most frequent recommendations for the leaves... including the medical fraternity.... I'll have to search out what I have... so the information seems to be at odds. Nothing can however refute the astonishing results achieved by those feeding it to the seriously malnourished.... and if they are helped so convincingly then anyone can be helped.
I just wanted to take a hard nosed look at it. I can be skeptical, but I consider myself fair-minded. And the fact that amaranth or cabbage or any crop has properties that limit their use for a subset of people doesn't mean that they aren't good plants to be celebrated.
I wanted to point out that the malnourished seldom have the kind of food balance you are speaking of. They are those who are being most helped. I think it has a real tonic effect on the system... with anyone. I think that the plant offers more than can be separated and analysed in a laboratory. I would not be surprised to find that the malnourished in the first world... some of the most malnourished of all on today's fast foods... with serious health issues......could probably greatly benefit with the addition of powdered Moringa leaf to the daily diet. I think they would achieve health gains with just that addition alone. Not just a couple of pills popped, but serioulsy added to the diet in proportion to size, as done with the malnourished children. Be interesting to test it out.
On the amino acid profile, I think we agree that it is a very good protein, and that it can benefit a diet ... I just wanted to re-enforce the idea of a balanced diet, as Moringa is beneficial when included in the mix, but would be detrimental if someone considered it a superfood capable of being the sole source of nutrients. Sure, I give most regulars here more credit than to believe something like that, but there are some people out there that are susceptible to such hype ... I wanted to be affirmative but also emphasize balance.
Most GPs today warn against egg yolks for bad cholesterol - LDL. Egg whites alone are recommended. Most of the nutrition is in the yolk. It was the best source for lecithin until they discovered soy beans. Lecithin will even lift the plaque from the arteries. I have no illusions about how research is funded .... having read of many disillusioned researchers who found answers and were squelched because it was uneconomic or contra- to the results desired by the corporation funding the research. Sad sick crazy world we now live in........ Sometimes it is easier to believe a neighbour who has been helped by a product than professional medical advice that is paid for.
BTW - eggs can increase cholesterol, but there are many studies showing they only raise the HDL 'good' cholesterol.There are a number of other benefits from including eggs in the diet. But I agree with your point that there is still a good deal that remains to be learned about diet and heart health, and there is lots of mythinformation, even (or especially) among the medical community.
Amazing about the chamomile. But it is true that individuals can be seriously affected by certain foods. All new foods need to be started cautiously, perhaps, when in doubt. I have had no ill-effects from Moringa. This is my 2nd year growing and eating the leaves.
There is at least one website that I found in my searching that is promoting M. stenopetala alongside M. oleifera - they have seeds, growing information and recipes for both, and seem to consider both plants as variants of the same miracle. There may be differences between the plants and it may be that M. oleifera is not associated with thyroid problems the way that M. stenopetala is. Or they may be closely enough related to contain the same goitrogenic factors. I don't know at this point, and am merely raising that as a point of information for people that have thyroid issues (my wife has to be very careful about what she eats - for example, a cup of chamomile tea will drop her body temperature and make her feel miserable ... but I still think chamomile is a great plant).
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Ah! the African Moringa tree. We grow it, we eat it, we sell it. Even though the Moringa Oleifera is the most commonly known variety of Moringa, it is not our personal favorite. Do we grow it? Absolutely! Do we eat it? Most certainly! Do we recommend it? Positively! Do we sell it? We do! But, is it our favorite? No, but it WOULD be, if it weren't for Stenopetala.
The African Moringa tree is just a more unusual tree. Its leaves have a robust, hearty flavor, and the tree develops a REALLY interesting bulb-like trunk. That trunk stores a lot of water for the tree, in case of drought-like conditions. The seeds of the Moringa Stenopetala are quite distinctive, as they are a light tan, with a shape reminiscent of almonds, and they are generally larger than the Moringa Oleifera seeds, which are round and brown with tan "frilled" edges.....
Germinating Seeds for Personal Use
There are several methods of germinating seeds. Some methods may work better depending on the microclimate. We are sure that there are lots of you that have your own methods of germinating seeds so we will just tell you what we have done and what has worked for us and what has worked for growers around the world.
Moringa seeds have wings and are about the size of a large pea. Seeds don’t need sunlight in order to germinate. Here are some suggestions on germination.
1. Soak the seeds for 24 hours; the seed will imbibe the water it needs to germinate from this procedure. Remove the seeds from the solution.
2. Put the seeds in a plastic sandwich bag and store in a warm, dark place like a drawer or cabinet. Germination times range from 3-14 days. Do not add extra water to the bag.
3. Check them every two days. Once the seeds have broken loose from the winged shell, you will notice two shoots protruding from the seed.
4. Do not let the shoots get too long and thin as they may get fragile and break when handled. One of the shoots will have some ruffled growth at the extremity; this is the shoot that contains the first leaves (cotyledons) and should be the shoot exposed to the sun. Plant the seeds about ¾ inch beneath the soil surface with the ruffled extremity to the sun. Plant the sprouted seed(s) in a commercial band or a peat pot using a high quality potting soil. Sandy loamy soils will work well also. Use a pot that is at least 18 inches deep if this is the final home for the tree. Moringa loves the sun so make sure they get plenty. Although the tree is drought tolerant, they may be watered daily, just don’t allow the roots to get soaked for extended periods of time. If you live in a particularly hot zone, don’t expose the baby plants to all day sun. Keep and eye on them, they will tell you if they are getting distressed from too much sun, water or lack of food.
5. It is a good idea to use pots to get the trees started since you have more control over the care of the tree. Critters will eat the moringa babies if they can. We recommend that you let the potted plants grow at least 8 weeks or longer before transplanting to the ground. When transplanting try not to disturb the root system at all. Like many plants the roots are very vulnerable until they are established in the ground.
6. If using a plastic pot, before transplanting to the ground, use a long thin blade to loosen the soil from the inside edges of the pot. Turn the band or pot upside down to allow the entire plant and soil to slide out of the container. This prevents disturbing the roots. Have a hole already dug and gently place in the hole. If you are planting more than one tree, space the plants 7-10 feet apart for optimum access to the mature tree. The tree will branch out 3-4 feet from the trunk so this spacing will allow you to walk between trees and let the sunlight to do its job. Of course if you want a wind break, just plant them all at 1 foot intervals, like they do in Africa and India. Moringa is like any plant that appreciates plant food and fertilizers and ample supply of water
7. Don’t forget, you can always just put the seeds in the ground or a large pot and water. We have found that Moringa is sensitive to the volume of soil in which it begins its life cycle.
Emerson White wrote:
As I understand it Moringa leaves are pretty much devoid of accessible calories, so what else are people eating in order to stave off malnutrition?
"In the late 1940’s and early 1950’s a team from India identified a compound they called pterygospermin. This group was also able to demonstrate its mode of antimicrobial action in the mid 1950’s."
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