William Schlegel wrote:Wonder if they share quite a bit of ancestry?
William Schlegel wrote:Joseph lofthouse's deepest frost 2016 paradise UT.
Joseph Lofthouse wrote: I suppose there was a third Founder's Effect when they left Europe to go to the rest of the world. My experience is that domestic tomatoes seem like the most inbred species that I have worked with. I'd pretty much classify all of the domesticated tomatoes as sharing quite a bit of ancestry.
Joseph Lofthouse wrote:
Actually, I'm approaching it the other way around... Introducing some of the domestic traits into wild tomatoes.
William Schlegel wrote:At least Three closely allied tomato projects exist amongst the landrace crowd at the homegrown goodness forum working with Tomatoes. Frost/Cold tolerance, promiscuous pollination, and direct seeding. Actually as far as sub projects I think their are two types of high outcrossing tomatoes, a subset of us want fancier short season tomatoes, there is a high percentage wild cross idea afoot, and I want a really weedy cherry tomato.
I was thinking a lot about promiscuous pollination today. A few of my tomatoes are known for exerted stigmas and other outcrossing traits. Matina, Jagodka, hillbilly x Jagodka F2.
Andrew Barney wrote:
The variety i was most excited to get and grow last year was 'Magnus' because of it's reported high outcrossing rate and exerted stigmas about 100 years ago. It's an older variety. Unfortunately i was not able to adequate grow and trial it because of my haphazard seedling starts dieing it being my first year and all and starting them too early. Though i will say that Magnus was one of the most vigorous tomato seedlings i've ever seen. I direct seeded it this year cause i ran out of time and didn't plan well among the wild tomatoes and it's mixed in grex style rather than by sibling group unfortunately. But it is a potato leaf one so it may still be easy to identify when they get bigger.
William Schlegel wrote:In the case of Joseph's Matina x Jagodka cross you would know it in the F2 with Jagodka as the parent and in the F1 with Matina as the parent because Potato leaved seedlings would serve as a marker.
Joseph Lofthouse wrote:
I don't remember making a (successful/intentional) Matina X Jagodka cross. The plants that I grew with the name "Matina" were regular leaved, and determinate. In other-words, didn't match the description in the first two seed catalogs that I looked at a few minutes ago.
Last year, I crossed a regular-leaf tomato (yellow pear) with a potato-leaved tomato (I call brad). I grew the first generation out overwinter. I planted the second generation (F2) into the field last week. Potato-leaved is definitely a recessive trait. Some plants were potato-leaved, but most were regular-leaved. I don't even know why I'm devoting attention to the cross. It's not part of the promiscuous pollination project. I suppose that Yellow Pear is the most popular tomato around here among people that don't like tomatoes, and Brad is the earliest tomato that I grow. Therefore, something useful might come out of the offspring. Perhaps a population of early cherry tomatoes.
I've been thinking about markers to tell if plants have been naturally hybridized... One of the easiest for me has been yellow-fruited varieties with red-fruited offspring.
William Schlegel wrote:I have grown out a fair amount of saved seed from prior years this year. It was not isolated so there should be an outcrossing rate. If I grew 100 plants from my own seed one of them might be off type. I doubt on many I would know the difference though! This the need to plant out a large lot of some kind next year that should show the hybrids!
William Schlegel wrote:I think any project to make a shorter season yellow pear should be interesting considering the popularity of yellow pear and my own fond childhood memories of it. Yours has the potential to create a potato leaved shorter season yellow pear!