Idle dreamer
"the qualities of these bacteria, like the heat of the sun, electricity, or the qualities of metals, are part of the storehouse of knowledge of all men. They are manifestations of the laws of nature, free to all men and reserved exclusively to none." SCOTUS, Funk Bros. Seed Co. v. Kale Inoculant Co.
rose macaskie wrote:
jamie mcbride says they return 60 0/0 of what is grown to the soil. If you do that sort of thing forming soils would be quicker, maybe if you are poorer with less land you have to eat seventy percent of the vegetable matter that grows.
"the qualities of these bacteria, like the heat of the sun, electricity, or the qualities of metals, are part of the storehouse of knowledge of all men. They are manifestations of the laws of nature, free to all men and reserved exclusively to none." SCOTUS, Funk Bros. Seed Co. v. Kale Inoculant Co.
Brenda
Bloom where you are planted.
http://restfultrailsfoodforestgarden.blogspot.com/
Emile Spore wrote:
If you ask me the 60 times faster thing is a load of BS.
What they should say is "with added inputs you can build soil 60 times faster than in nature". But they clearly don't want to admit that. I think it's myth promotion at it's worst.
Argh.
Like someone said, what do they mean by building soil? It's more like soil conversion.
barefooter wrote:
... Is it possible to improve on the soil forming factors in an area above the rate of soil forming for the natural ecosystem in that area?
Emile Spore wrote:What they should say is "with added inputs you can build soil 60 times faster than in nature". But they clearly don't want to admit that.
"the qualities of these bacteria, like the heat of the sun, electricity, or the qualities of metals, are part of the storehouse of knowledge of all men. They are manifestations of the laws of nature, free to all men and reserved exclusively to none." SCOTUS, Funk Bros. Seed Co. v. Kale Inoculant Co.
Emile Spore wrote:We need solutions that will work for everybody
"the qualities of these bacteria, like the heat of the sun, electricity, or the qualities of metals, are part of the storehouse of knowledge of all men. They are manifestations of the laws of nature, free to all men and reserved exclusively to none." SCOTUS, Funk Bros. Seed Co. v. Kale Inoculant Co.
Joel Hollingsworth wrote:
Hm...I'd settle for modes of inquiry that would find a unique solution for each person who applies them.
Idle dreamer
Kent
machinemaker wrote:
so I take it that there is a philosophical question regarding using outside resources. I can understand that from a truly best case scenario, however that is not the reality that we live in, in my opinion. I make a portion of my financial gain each year exploiting the waste streams form "the real world".
"When you want to climb a tree you don't begin at the top"
Brenda
Bloom where you are planted.
http://restfultrailsfoodforestgarden.blogspot.com/
Ahipa wrote:
Are there any websites or past discussions (even on other websites) that disagree with Jeavon's numbers and "facts" ? I mean like any studies or atleast comparison beds over a long period of time to see if there are differences ?
Idle dreamer
The intensivists say that putting vegetable rows far apart is a waste of garden space and that gardeners do it only in foolish imitation of farmers, who have to do it so that machinery can work the field. This assertion is not correct. The reason people traditionally spread out their plants (and why farm machinery was designed to match this practice) was so that the vegetables could go through rainless weeks without damage or moisture stress...Once ultra-crowded plants have formed a crop canopy...moisture loss is so rapid during sunny weather that to prevent moisture stress, you will need to give the beds at least half an inch (1.25 centimeters) of water every other day in hot spells. If the soil doesn't retain much moisture, you'll apply less water, but you'll apply it every day. I've seen sandy intensive beds need irrigation twice daily in really hot weather. This requirement tightly shackles gardeners to their gardens.
"the qualities of these bacteria, like the heat of the sun, electricity, or the qualities of metals, are part of the storehouse of knowledge of all men. They are manifestations of the laws of nature, free to all men and reserved exclusively to none." SCOTUS, Funk Bros. Seed Co. v. Kale Inoculant Co.
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Joel Hollingsworth wrote:
Steve Solomon, from Gardening When it Counts:
He includes a table with biointensive spacings as well as his 3 different recommendations for spacings, discussing how to choose among them based on climate, soil type, and availability of irrigation water.
"When you want to climb a tree you don't begin at the top"
Emile Spore wrote:
From what I have read, they don't mention where you should get your composting materials, just that you should compost.
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Ludi wrote:
Emile, yes, one of the goals of Biointensive is to produce human food in the least amount of space possible (they apparently have got it down to 4000 square feet per person). I recommend the book "One Circle" for anyone interested in more details about small-space diets. The primary caloric basis for these vegan diets is root crops such as potatoes. Grain is absent because it takes too much space.
Emile Spore wrote:
More pertinent questions. Where do they grow the seeds to plant their carbon cover crops? Grain is absent, what about the cover crops, are they not grain?
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Paul Cereghino- Ecosystem Guild
Maritime Temperate Coniferous Rainforest - Mild Wet Winter, Dry Summer
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Emile Spore wrote:
The question is, you have to have seeds to plant cover crops and these have to be grown somewhere, so where are they being grown and harvested?
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