My thread on immunizations

Paul, is there some other way of dealing with this other than locking? I really want peoples input on my questions as it is really important to me. Im open to suggestions. Thanks.

Pauls comfort zone is showing

Well,  I was gonna let it stand, thinking that folks would try to keep things in a space I am comfortable with.  But now I get the impression that some folks either don't know what my comfort zone is, or they don't care.  And stuff was flying in so fast that it seemed like I would spend too much of my day deleting stuff.  And then, to keep people from causing more problems in the future I would have to try to explain to each author that posted something I didn't like, why I didn't like it.  And frankly, I would rather be writing new articles or cranking out new videos.

Back to your question:  I suppose one way is to take it to another forum.  Or to a mailing list.  Lawrence London's permaculture mailing list is really good.  And the PRI forums are really good.  The homesteadingtoday forums are really good - although a hot topic like this would probably get folks way hotter than the thread here got. 

I appreciate that you started it in MD and that you asked folks to keep it smooth.  I am willing to try this again - but I'm afraid I'll just end up closing it again.  Or having to delete stuff.  Or do something. 

My position on this topic is that I think there is a lot of justification for concern.  And folks were stating absolutes that suggested that my position is stupid.  That doesn't make me a happy camper. 

The key to this issue is that there is a lot of data conflict.  I remember reading something about how the rate of autism in vaccinated kids the same as in unvaccinated.  Thus, zero difference.  Therefore, it would make sense if the mother I mentioned - her kid were to have autism before the shot and after.  The autism thing would be the same.  But clearly, something changed.  Something big.  And there are three other moms I have talked to that have been through the same thing.  The label they stick on the problem is "autism" and I have to wonder if autism is more of a symptom than the real problem. 

I guess I'm feeling a bit like I'm not allowed to have an opinion unless I am able to utterly prove it as fact.  Emerson makes a lot of good points - and about half of them I have a response to, but I feel like this is something I really don't want to get into and, at the same time, I feel like if I don't prove my position, then I am clearly an idiot. 

I would prefer to be in a position of where I can step out of a conversation that is not my thing and feel like people respect my position although they might try to persuade me to change my mind.

Well if you are willing to unlock it I can make a petition to everyone to stay on topic...afterall it was not a post about proving anything...just about people sharing their experiences. If someone jumps in and goes off topic again, then lock it. Id be grateful for a second try.

I really don't care what people think about my opinions or positions so none of that bothered me, but it is your site and your call.

Thanks

Rob, how about this - start a second thread on the same topic - and in your opening, point out what happend in the last thread - so we're giving it another try.

We'll see how it goes. 

One of the things I like about having a thread like this in the "meaningless drivel" forum is that nobody can complain about anything being deleted.  Because they can only be upset if they cared - and if they care, it must not be meaningless drivel - and therefore, should not be in the forum.

True dat, thanks very much.

paul wheaton wrote:
I guess I'm feeling a bit like I'm not allowed to have an opinion unless I am able to utterly prove it as fact.

I hope we can have some opinions which are based on aesthetics, not facts.  "I think donuts are delicious" is an opinion based on aesthetics.  It may be a fact that I think donuts are delicious, but I can't prove it. 

Disproving would be far more interesting - the first step would be to demonstrate ample mind reading ability.