Permaculture Smackdown

Paul Wheaton and Josiah Wallingford host the new PETV show Permaculture Smackdown

The show is filmed in front of a live participating audience. If you are a PermaEthos student or a Permies Patreon, you are invited to join the live show.

To become a PermaEthos student simply sign up for a course at http://learn.permaethos.com.
To become a Permies Patreon go here: https://www.patreon.com/paulwheaton

Episode 0001



In this episode:
Northern California Pond Smackdown

A listener chimes in about his farm in Northern California and his desire to put ponds and other earthworks in on his small property.

Community

Holacracy
Consensus Community
Using Podcasts to Weed out Community Members
Community Constitution
Removing the Dictator (The Founders Dilemma)
A Consensus Dictator Hybrid
Size of a Community
Leaving the Community
Innovation Stifled by dictatorship
Community Diversity
Turnkey Entry to the Community
Community Ant Barn Raising Projects - Peasant Workshops
Pitching in on Materials
Labor Bartering and Currency
Community Members Building Skillsets
Community Land - Livestock and More on Shared Land
Paddock Shifting Livestock on Community Property
Community Property Landscape
Slip Straw Construction

Wheaton Labs Update

how he obtained base camp at Wheaton Labs
Zoning
Wofatis
Rocket Mass Heaters in the Wofati
Rocket Mass Heater in a tipi

I can see the video but can't hear it. Is it just me?

wayne fajkus wrote:I can see the video but can't hear it. Is it just me?

i am playing it now - i hear it fine.

It's working for me now

tuesday at 2?

paul wheaton wrote:tuesday at 2?

Yes, every Tuesday at 2pm MST.

Episode 0002



Thomas J. Elpel Botany in a Day and Shanleya's Quest: A Botany Adventure for Kids Ages 9-99

Thomas J. Elpel is an author, natural builder, educator and conservationist. He has authored multiple books:
Living Homes - https://www.amazon.com/Living-Homes-Masonry-Strawbale-Construction/dp/1892784327/ref=asap_bc?ie=UTF8
Foraging the Mountain West - https://www.amazon.com/Foraging-Mountain-West-Gourmet-Mushrooms/dp/189278436X/ref=asap_bc?ie=UTF8
Botany in a Day - https://www.amazon.com/Botany-Day-Patterns-Method-Identification/dp/1892784351/ref=asap_bc?ie=UTF8
Shanleya's Quest - https://www.amazon.com/Shanleyas-Quest-Botany-Adventure-Kids/dp/1892784165/ref=asap_bc?ie=UTF8
and numerous other ones about plant identification, wilderness survival, and sustainable living. He has multiple videos: Building a Slipform Stone House from the Bottom Up, How to Make a Grass Rope, Build Your own Masonry Fireplace - Masonry Heater - Masonry Stove, and many more. Thomas regularly teaches classes on plant identification, primitive skills and natural building. He is founder/director of Green University, LLC in Pony, Montana.

Wwoofer Woes and Gapper Solutions - WWOOFer challenges to overcome, for wwoofers and farmers

Wwoof.net: http://wwoof.net/
Wwoof International: http://wwoofinternational.org/
Wwoof USA: https://wwoofusa.org/

Gapper Program: https://permies.com/t/46350/experiences/gapper-program

Permies Permaculture Design Course and Appropriate Technology Course

Permaculture Design Course (PDC) at Wheaton Labs
https://richsoil.com/pdc.jsp

Sunday, May 28th through Saturday June 10th, 2017 near Missoula, Montana

This PDC will have a strong focus on DESIGN. Students attending this PDC will probably walk away with four times more experience with designing than students attending other PDCs. Most PDCs give equal time to urban, homestead and broadacre designs. This PDC will cover all three, but urban and broadacre design will be minimized so a stronger focus can be put on homesteading.

Tim Barker - 2017 PDC Instructor - http://www.koanga.org.nz/
Paul Wheaton - 2017 PDC Instructor - https://permies.com/
Thomas J. Elpel - 2017 PDC Guest Instructor - https://permies.com/t/23598/Botany-Day-Thomas-Elpel
Helen Atthowe - 2017 PDC Guest Instructor - https://permies.com/t/2230/Helen-Atthowe-goddess-soil
Ernie Wisner - 2017 PDC Guest Instructor - http://www.woodburningstoves2.com/
Erica Wisner - 2017 PDC Guest Instructor - http://richsoil.com/annex-plans.php
Jacqueline Freeman - 2017 PDC Guest Instructor - http://www.spiritbee.com/
Davin Hoyt - 2017 PDC Guest Instructor

The Wheaton ECO Scale

A question came in: In the scenario of having a commercially oriented permaculture system, where the main source of income is produce, what would be the minimum land surface for it to be financially viable?
https://permies.com/t/3069/Wheaton-Eco-Scale

0004 - Permaculture Smackdown - Why are there so few profitable Permaculture Farms



In this episode of Permaculture Smackdown, Paul Wheaton and Josiah Wallingford discuss Ridgedale Permaculture Richard Perkins excellent new video "Why are there so few profitable Permaculture Farms?".

Round 1: Examples of Wealthy Permaculture Farms
https://youtu.be/DV8pnyhOuU8

Essay: Gert and Ferd essay by Paul Wheaton - https://permies.com/t/55918/millions-permaculture-millionaires-story-Gert
Sepp Holzer: books, Richard Perkins visit, and Tour


Paul gives the example of Sepp Holzer being one of the farms that are making a million+ dollars a year.

Masanobu Fukuoka: another great example of someone wealthy in Permaculture

The wrong question to ask is where is the proof of making a million dollars and does it exist.

Round 2: Self-Limiting Beliefs
https://youtu.be/wqHUxNR4UbE

This falls right in line with the “prove it to me mentality”.
Yeah, but… the most annoying thing to hear.
Unfair advantages… boo hoo. If Paul Wheaton can do it, anybody can.
Paul has created ways to get started in permaculture: Boot Camp Program - Work for 18 months or pay $21,000 for an acre of land at Wheaton Labs. http://richsoil.com

Using other people's land to gain profit:
Curtis Stone - http://www.greencityacres.com/

Fleet Farming - http://fleetfarming.org/


Change Your Perspective Books
Mortgage Free by Rob Roy : https://www.amazon.com/dp/B006K40RHG/ref=dp-kindle-redirect?_encoding=UTF8&btkr=1
Early Retirement Extreme by Jacob Lund Fisker : https://www.amazon.com/Early-Retirement-Extreme-Philosophical-Independence/dp/145360121X/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1489324686&sr=8-1&keywords=Early+Retirement+Extreme

Stop complaining and start innovating. The money is in doing something new not doing what others have done.

Round 3: Don’t have the skills to get into farming
https://youtu.be/oqBk4JXpEHY

It’s all about your attitude.
Do whatever needs to be done when it needs to be done. The reality check.

Don’t have the skills to get into the field, bullshit. There are a ton of new ways to get the needed skills to start practicing permaculture with online learning, work at a local farm, wwoof, books (not needed), PDC’s (not needed).
Permaculture Boot Camp : https://permies.com/t/59706/permaculture-bootcamp-learn-permaculture-hard
Look up the curriculum of a PDC and start researching those topics.

Round 4: Idealism over Pragmatism
https://youtu.be/YZ_Qk1DE72Y

Idealism needs to be switched over to pragmatism if you want to have a realistic livelihood.

The best way to counter idealism is to start doing whatever you have idealistic expectations of. Once you start doing it and experiencing it, the pragmatism comes.

Do a little research before jumping into a system but don’t do so much that you are waiting a long time before jumping in.

Book : Chicken Tractor - Paul doesn’t like that approach. https://www.amazon.com/Chicken-Tractor-Permaculture-Healthy-Homestead/dp/0984338209/ref=pd_sbs_14_t_0?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=GYF6422VEJJAXWKQJWET

Round 5: Undefined Context
https://youtu.be/e06vIvkBcR8

Holistic Management by Allan Savory - how do you know you are accomplishing your goals if you haven’t even written down your goals to begin with.
https://www.amazon.com/Holistic-Management-Third-Commonsense-Environment/dp/161091743X/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1489325701&sr=1-1&keywords=Holistic+Management+by+Allan+Savory

If your new to this stuff, creating many lists and mind mapping can be very helpful. There is also something to be said about an artistic approach. Try different things and see what kind of paths present themselves. Allan Savory seems to poo-poo this approach.
Paul admits this is not the most monetary positive path.

Permaculture is a design science. You think about and plan what you will be doing before implementing.

Permaculture is giving a gift to your future self. It is a lot of hard work up front but can lead to a lifestyle of very minimal work in the future.

How chickens should be raised… Paul’s perspective.

Round 6: The Myth of the Perfect permaculture Place or Farm
https://youtu.be/sHcK383hT14

Book: Finding and Buying Your Place in the Country by Les and Carol Scher (updated year 2000 edition)
https://www.amazon.com/Finding-Buying-Your-Place-Country/dp/0793141095/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1489326031&sr=1-1&keywords=finding+and+buying+your+place+in+the+country+les+scher

Purchasing the wrong property or getting into permaculture after you have already purchased a piece of property.

Paul talks about buying too small of a piece of property. Starting a garden, then upgrading to more land, then running out of land and upgrading again.

Buying a great piece of property and then hating the culture in the area. A good way to judge if there are many like-minded people around you is to visit the local farmers market.

It is sometimes nice to start from scratch after you have learned permaculture and maximized the space you are currently in.

Round 7: Lack of Commitment
https://youtu.be/tiImjpfJHtk

Common to get into farming while working another job. A lot of times this will burn you out and is a great cause of the Lack of Commitment issue.

How getting into farming can destroy relationships. One person is loving it and can’t get enough while the other wants to go back to relaxing and missing the old lifestyle.

Irresponsible to run a farm and not think about it every day, living it and engaged with it.

Round 8: Lack of Planning
https://youtu.be/Q7888uPPzuA

People often fail to make time for planning. A lack of focus on business is a major shortfall in permaculture.

Nothing is wrong with capitalism in permaculture if you are trying to make a living.

You might not have to focus entirely on capitalism but you may be to the point where you need very little to get by and a little capitalism from your excess produce to pay for the minimal lifestyle is okay.

A lot of people want money but don’t want to do any work. This seems to be a growing trend in western civilization.

Another issue is debt. People will put themselves into massive amounts of debt and then feel overwhelmed by the amount of work that is going into paying off that debt or interest on the debt.

Legal partnership success is very rare. Collaboration is much more effective in most cases. Many short collaborations are often easier and more successful than long-term commitments. Obligations are all resolved quickly and if it works out well, do it again.

Round 9: Find Your Inspiration through Internships
https://youtu.be/3CgGdL9XLN0

Spend a season working at an established farm like Ben Falks farm and not at Paul’s farm if you are looking for great inspiration. Ben’s place is well established and can show you what to look forward to. Paul’s farm is just in the beginning phases of establishment.

Ben Falk’s farm: http://www.wholesystemsdesign.com/


Paul discusses new systems that still need to be implemented into the Wheaton Labs property.

Many successful farms phase out the opportunities available to fully immerse themselves into those properties because the farms simply no longer need to bring in many people to help build the farm up. Get in while you can.

Interning at these farms provides you with the opportunity to see what is possible and to see if you are up to doing all of the work that needs to be done.

Doing the work isn’t something you want to just give up on. A lot of the physical limitations you have go away after you have worked for a while and gain the muscle memory needed. You will learn more about yourself by sticking it out.

Most people that go and internship will come in with expectations of sticking it out but then after a couple of hours or a couple of days give up.

Round 10: Fear in the Unknown and Lack of Financial Capital
https://youtu.be/Pn0rCCN-zyU

Our ever-changing lifestyles can cause fear in getting into something that requires long term thought and dedication like raising livestock. Spend 3-4 seasons working on a farm before starting your own.

There are no magic answers to getting the capital required for starting your farm. There are other ways to get into this.

Look into creating complimentary enterprises (or fiefdoms) on existing farms. Many farmers are very open to people coming onto their property and starting their own enterprise that meshes with what the farmer is already doing. For example, a farmer may be buying a lot of compost and if you have a business plan that benefits the farm by creating and selling compost it will be enticing to the farmer.

It is more beneficial to the farmer to have complimentary enterprises running on their property by people who enjoy doing those enterprises more than the farmer does.

Additional Notes

Round 1: Examples of Wealthy Permaculture Farms
https://youtu.be/DV8pnyhOuU8

04:58 - Why There Are So Few Permaculture Farms video
07:13 - Essay about Gurt and Fird


Round 2: Self-Limiting Beliefs 16:32
https://youtu.be/wqHUxNR4UbE

19:32 - Boot Camp Program
20:00 - Ant Village
21:22 - richsoil.com
22:32 - Early Retirement Extreme
22:41 - Mortgage Free by Rob Roy
25:35 - Uber comparison


Round 3: Don’t have the skills to get into farming 26:48
https://youtu.be/oqBk4JXpEHY


Round 4: Idealism over Pragmatism 31:10
https://youtu.be/YZ_Qk1DE72Y

33:43 - Chicken Tractor


Round 5: Accomplishing Goals 34:45
https://youtu.be/e06vIvkBcR8

34:47 - Holistic Management, Allan Savory


Round 6: The Myth of the Perfect permaculture Place or Farm 42:58
https://youtu.be/sHcK383hT14

43:39 - Finding and Buying Your Place in the Country, Les Scher


Round 7: Lack of Commitment 46:00
https://youtu.be/tiImjpfJHtk

Round 8: Lack of Planning 52:00
https://youtu.be/Q7888uPPzuA

52:33 - Anti-Capitalism

1:00:10 - Question from Michael: Do people get into permaculture for food or profit?


Round 9: Find Your Inspiration through Internships 1:02:55
https://youtu.be/3CgGdL9XLN0

1:04:50 - Ben Falk’s Place

1:10:32 - wholesystemsdesign.com


Round 10: Fear in the Unknown and Lack of Financial Capital 1:13:20
https://youtu.be/Pn0rCCN-zyU

1:21:34 - Complementary Enterprises

1:23:38 - Permaculture Design Manual, Bill Mollison

-just wanted to say I am enjoying these a lot. I'm dancing as fast as I can on my own permaculture project (nightmare?heaven? ha) and I am hoping to find time in the next couple evenings to further support both projects (Patreon, and the Permaethos) even if I can't participate all the time. (I've already bought stuff that I've watched (or really wanted to watch) but in my opinion, sending a few extra dollars someone's way doing something (and putting in the great effort) is worth the $$, even if I am too exhausted at the end of the day to watch/listen. ha

I am unsure if the consensus of the live podcast viewers was on the name, but I like "smackdown"- it reminds me of that hilarious "punch out" nintendo game that kids played when I was very small, except in this circumstance, you're launching flowers and hairy vetch at each other digitally-seems a good upgrade from the 1980s version.

this post had no point except to send good vibes.

thanks for all the hard work

Here is Episode 5.




The Path to the Farm Life

Round 1: tv.permaethos.com reveal


05:29 - tv.permaethos.com redesign reveal


Round 2: It’s a zoo here! 09:27
https://youtu.be/0jGQWdY6858?t=9m27s

10:00 - Work Trade explanation
13:25 - Gapper/Ant


Round 3: Don’t EVER use a Wood Chipper 16:27
https://youtu.be/0jGQWdY6858?t=16m27s


Round 4: Mom’s Place in Whitefish 19:42
https://youtu.be/0jGQWdY6858?t=19m42s


Round 5: Times with Sep 22:13
https://youtu.be/0jGQWdY6858?t=22m13s


Round 6: Mycelium Web and Paths 26:17
https://youtu.be/0jGQWdY6858?t=26m17s


Round 7: What’s a good resource for non-English products for developing PDC 30:35
https://youtu.be/0jGQWdY6858?t=30m35s

(Paul’s audio gets pretty horrid/hard/impossible to hear)
31:28 PermacultureGlobal.org


Round 8: Eat Your Dirt Webinar/Panel 35:39
https://youtu.be/0jGQWdY6858?t=35m39s

36:36 - From Scary to Beautiful with Permaculture
37:25 - Paul’s audio back

Round 9: The Wheaton Eco Scale, “I’m an Environmentalist!” 39:00
https://youtu.be/0jGQWdY6858?t=39m

40:17 - The Wheaton Eco Test
40:32 - The Age of Stupid
44:08 - The average American adult spends $1000…
52:18 - The Oregonian


Round 10: The Close 52:57
https://youtu.be/0jGQWdY6858?t=52m57s

53:11 - Wanderlust
56:20 - Incandescent Light Bulbs
58:05 - Rocket mass heating question
1:01:23 - “My Rocket Mass Heaters” DVD
1:03:52 - Is the new 4 DVD set better?
1:07:02 - “World Domination Gardening” DVD

Josiah,

If I remember correctly, a select few (including my patreon peeps) get access where they can type stuff we can see as record.  And there are people that can see it live - and you were saying something like thousands of people were watching it live.  And that is a free thing, right?   How do people find that?

And then, the whole thing goes up to youtube sometime later for free for everybody.  Right?

paul wheaton wrote:Josiah,

If I remember correctly, a select few (including my patreon peeps) get access where they can type stuff we can see as record.  And there are people that can see it live - and you were saying something like thousands of people were watching it live.  And that is a free thing, right?   How do people find that?

And then, the whole thing goes up to youtube sometime later for free for everybody.  Right?

The patrion peeps and PermaEthos students get access to watch live and comment and come on to video and talk with us. The chat from patrion peeps and PE students is recorded during the show.

We also stream the live show to facebook live. They can watch that at either the PermaEthos Facebook Page or the Permaculture Smackdown Facebook Page.
People can comment on the facebook live stream but priority goes to the patrion peeps and the PE students.

After the show is over I do any quick editing that needs to be done to the recording and then post it up onto the PermaEthos youtube channel Permaculture Smackdown Playlist.

Then, I go through and cut the video into segments called "Round by Round". I then upload those to the PermaEthos Youtube Channel Permaculture Smackdown Playlist.

Usually while I am doing the Round by Round clips is when I do the writeup and resource links. I then copy the whole thing and put it into the full show notes and the individual rounds onto each round on youtube.

Then, I create the PETV Permaculture Smackdown post with the audio version (for the podcast) and the show notes and embed the videos.

There you have the life of a Permaculture Smackdown episode.

Ok. Put my money where my mouth is and became both a Patreon Patron of Paul and I purchased Josiah's video presentations on PermaEthos. Chances of getting into log in live are slim to none, (HA!) but hopefully I can sometime soon. Good Vibes are Great, and Can do a lot, but a little bit some other green substance helps too. Off topic, but I was really happy to see how popular the PDC coming up is, and the funds it has raised. I do think that if more folks, even if it is just $20 a month, contribute to the community and community members-more individuals can see growth, and more aspects of the population can embrace some/(or hopefully a lot) of the concepts.

I am noticing some happy growth in social media, and was utterly and wonderfully shocked, when a musician friend post to her FB page about attending a permaculture workshop in New Orleans. With a reach of about 25,000 folks (or more) even if 50 googled "permaculture"- or checked it out themselves- that's a great step forward.


I'm only posting this to *encourage* others to do so. -Giving Paul some $ a month (you can even cap what you contribute, so it works with a budget) and subscribing to Josiah's video series (and others), cost me about the price of one nice dinner out.

-I can cook like a banshee, and so that "dinner.drinks out" was definitely better spent elsewhere. In my mind that green stuff just kind of goes, so when I feel I have some control over where it goes, I put it in places that I think matter. It still seems to go, fly away, (and laugh as it flies) anyways.

I've peeped up a few times ( and yes, sometimes to not most polite responses honestly) to grumbling ( and being empathetic-perhaps understandably struggling in some way) organic, permie, biodynamic-y folks, trying to buy their own land-y folks, broke and ornery folks-
You don't have to be rich or flush to contribute- Just Forgo 4 of those large growlers of beer for two weeks, and help build an *infrastructure* of not only good souls- but competent to teach and expand the skill set of others. (IMPORTANT) I guarantee every cent I put forward to good things/good people- I got back 100fold.

Jen Gira wrote:Ok. Put my money where my mouth is and became both a Patreon Patron of Paul and I purchased Josiah's video presentations on PermaEthos. Chances of getting into log in live are slim to none, (HA!) but hopefully I can sometime soon. Good Vibes are Great, and Can do a lot, but a little bit some other green substance helps too. Off topic, but I was really happy to see how popular the PDC coming up is, and the funds it has raised. I do think that if more folks, even if it is just $20 a month, contribute to the community and community members-more individuals can see growth, and more aspects of the population can embrace some/(or hopefully a lot) of the concepts.

I am noticing some happy growth in social media, and was utterly and wonderfully shocked, when a musician friend post to her FB page about attending a permaculture workshop in New Orleans. With a reach of about 25,000 folks (or more) even if 50 googled "permaculture"- or checked it out themselves- that's a great step forward.


I'm only posting this to *encourage* others to do so. -Giving Paul some $ a month (you can even cap what you contribute, so it works with a budget) and subscribing to Josiah's video series (and others), cost me about the price of one nice dinner out.

-I can cook like a banshee, and so that "dinner.drinks out" was definitely better spent elsewhere. In my mind that green stuff just kind of goes, so when I feel I have some control over where it goes, I put it in places that I think matter. It still seems to go, fly away, (and laugh as it flies) anyways.

I've peeped up a few times ( and yes, sometimes to not most polite responses honestly) to grumbling ( and being empathetic-perhaps understandably struggling in some way) organic, permie, biodynamic-y folks, trying to buy their own land-y folks, broke and ornery folks-
You don't have to be rich or flush to contribute- Just Forgo 4 of those large growlers of beer for two weeks, and help build an *infrastructure* of not only good souls- but competent to teach and expand the skill set of others. (IMPORTANT) I guarantee every cent I put forward to good things/good people- I got back 100fold.

Thank you Jen, your support is much appreciated!

Thank you Jen, your support is much appreciated!


I just hope others bite the bullet, enter the ring, smackdown, etc.
ha ha.

my best

Episode 6 - Recipe for Reproduction and Reduction




Round 1: Well Inspected


Round 2: The Next Big Thing 08:04
https://youtu.be/Mljxm6DzB4k?t=8m4s

08:22 - 4-DVD Set Rocket Mass Heaters (1&2)
08:28 - 3-DVD Set, World Domination Gardening


Round 3: Making Coin on the Homesteading World 12:41
https://youtu.be/Mljxm6DzB4k?t=12m41s

12:52 Ernie & Erica
14:30 Amazon.com Reference


Round 4: Passport to Hawaii 15:11
https://youtu.be/Mljxm6DzB4k?t=15m11s



Round 5: Age of Stupid 22:03
https://youtu.be/Mljxm6DzB4k?t=22m3s

22:48 - We’re all gonna die!!
24:57 - Wheaton Eco Test


Round 6: The Summit of Eco 29:30
https://youtu.be/Mljxm6DzB4k?t=29m30s

30:03 - Al Gore Movie
30:11 - Leonardo DiCaprio
30:15 - David Letterman
30:29 - Derrick Jensen
30:45 - Inconvenient Truth




Round 7:  Recipe for Reproduction and Reduction 31:11
https://youtu.be/Mljxm6DzB4k?t=31m11s

34:45 - Derrek Jensen, Reducing the Carbon Footprint
34:58 - Age of Stupid
35:58 - Al Gore
36:06 - Leo & Letterman
36:38 - Geoff Lawton, “All of the world’s problems can be solved in a garden”

Round 8: Organic vs. Conventional 36:15
https://youtu.be/Mljxm6DzB4k?t=36m15s

39:28 - Carbon Positive
39:53 - Urban Permaculture, Michael beats Josiah


Round 9: The Recipe for the World’s Scary Problems 40:08
https://youtu.be/Mljxm6DzB4k?t=40m8s

44:50 - Derrick Jensen
45:32 - Leonardo DiCaprio

Round 10: The Solution 56:38
https://youtu.be/Mljxm6DzB4k?t=56m38s

56:58 - Plant Propagation Course, Nick Ferguson
57:35 - learn.permaethos.com
57:58 - Progressive Farming with Evan Folds

Episode 7



Episode Title: Purple Vegans in Spring

Round 1: I See Viewers!

Round 2: Official Start: Paul Babbles On. 03:26
https://youtu.be/QksmtuDgy-k?t=3m36s

03:47 - It’s a country livin’ thing
07:43 - It all went down, down, down…
08:48 -  Fred went fishin’
11:17 - Kai and the Boots

Round 3: Look at all this stuff coming in! 13:55
https://youtu.be/QksmtuDgy-k?t=13m55s

14:20 - Saul Griffith energy chart
15:35 - Josiah does all the work

Round 4: How Purple is Permaculture in Australia? 17:19
https://youtu.be/QksmtuDgy-k?t=17m19s

18:03 - You can’t have Permaculture without Purple
18:36 - Purple People
18:40 - Purple People Eaters Song
19:26 - energyliteracy.com chart

Round 5: Julie has a friend and a landslide question 20:09
https://youtu.be/QksmtuDgy-k?t=20m9s

25:03 - The Moral of the Story

Round 6: Beard Trimming Policies of a Hippie 27:03
https://youtu.be/QksmtuDgy-k?t=27m3s

Round 7: Let’s talk about Julia’s Question 29:12
https://youtu.be/QksmtuDgy-k?t=29m12s

29:25 - It’s a valid concern
31:45 - Sep has a similar problem
32:15 - Terraces
35:00 - Whiteboard Scribbles, Terrace
41:18 - Learn About EarthWorks
42:55 - Embrace the clay
Round 8: Here We Are in Montana 49:32
https://youtu.be/QksmtuDgy-k?t=49m32s

52:30 - Spring, Sunchokes and Flatulence
54:46 - YouTube video about how much land you need for 100%

Round 9: Diets, Cleansing and Judgemental Vegans 59:46
https://youtu.be/QksmtuDgy-k?t=59m46s

1:13:09 - If meat eaters acted like vegans
1:16:50 - Mitchell and Webb - Dinner Party
1:20:32 - Paul respects Vegans for sacrificing bacon
1:24:23 - Omnivore’s Dilemma, Book
1:25:33 - Respectful Chicken Harvest, YouTube video

Round 10: Paul’s Goals 1:26:30
https://youtu.be/QksmtuDgy-k?t=1h26m30s

Round 11: How Vegans Should Feel About Meat and Animals 1:28:50
https://youtu.be/QksmtuDgy-k?t=1h28m50s

1:31:15 - Fuel for War

Round 12: Bee Beautiful 1:34:20
https://youtu.be/QksmtuDgy-k?t=1h34m20s

1:34:26 - ‘Beegan’ Woman
1:35:00 - Colony Collapse Theory
1:36:51 - Colony Collapse Disorder Video Mentioned
1:41:46 - The Song of Increase, Jacqueline Freeman
1:44:53 - Willie Smits
1:55:28 - Michael Jordan
1:55:53 - Bee Whisperer(s)

Round 13: The Problem with Beagles 1:56:45
https://youtu.be/QksmtuDgy-k?t=1h56m45s

The part about the bees communicating made me cry.

Episode 8



Episode Title: The Long Legacy of Paul Wheaton

Chapter 1: I’m ready. Let’s do it! Let’s go!

00:52 - “What if meat-eaters acted like vegans” YouTube Video
01:52 - H3 Productions

Chapter 2: The Music of Permaculture 03:35
https://youtu.be/scqo0QGy8Tg

03:59 - YouTube Video, “‘Yield’ Formidable Vegetable Sound System - (Permaculture Music Video - HD)”
04:13 - Grow Do It
05:13 - Washington Blues Festival
06:38 - ‘Yield’ Video mentioned - Just watch it
07:07 - “Getting Permaculture Systems to Work”
08:32 - “Guy Is Garden”
10:40 - Formidable Vegetable Sound System

Chapter 3: Work Trade, Laws, & Stuff 11:45
https://youtu.be/scqo0QGy8Tg?t=11m45s

17:03 - woofusa.org

Chapter 4: Permaculture e-Things 23:28
https://youtu.be/scqo0QGy8Tg?t=23m28s

23:45 - tv.permaethos.com
23:48 - youtube.com/permaethos
24:19 - Formidable Vegetable Sound System
24:55 - Grow Do It YouTube Channel - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCszWVJMsQubTLsnYEeJ20mA
25:03 - formidablevegetable.com.au
28:30 - thersurvivalpodcast.com

Chapter 5: Lot’s of Great Ideas
https://youtu.be/scqo0QGy8Tg?t=30m7s

30:25 - Jack’s Beginner’s Guide to Growing Food
30:44 - Victory Gardens
34:00 - Mel Bartholomew’s Square Foot Gardening
34:30 - Second Edition, Square Foot Gardening
34:52 - Ruth Stout
35:28 - Toby Hemingway’s Gaia’s Garden
36:34 - Course, Toby Hemingway, Creating Gaia’s Garden
39:32 - Square Foot Gardening
40:34 - Sepp Holzer’s Permaculture

Chapter 6: Wicking Beds 42:18
https://youtu.be/scqo0QGy8Tg?t=42m18s

45:51 - Wicking Beds Google Images Search
53:54 - Google - Garden Buried Clay Pot
54:06 - Permaculturenews.org
58:35 - Paul drops a big steamer
1:00:28 - vergepermaculture.ca

Chapter 7: Permease vs. Facebook 1:04:20.
https://youtu.be/scqo0QGy8Tg?t=1h4m20s

1:05:35 - Facebook
1:09:03 - Black Locust Thread
1:09:16 - Kim Kardashian

Chapter 8: On The ‘Fat Thing’ 1:12:06
https://youtu.be/scqo0QGy8Tg?t=1h12m6s

1:14:45 - Paleo Diet
1:18:12 - Paul’s Patreon Page
1:18:23 - Happy Birthday Permease!

Episode 0009



Episode Title: The Red Pill of Permaculture

Round  1: Hello People and Lurkers

Round 2: New Permanent Owner 01:42
https://youtu.be/rNzPh5FKavI?t=1m42s

02:20 - Marketing Jack
03:00 - Founder Features
03:25 - Lots of Permaculture Courses
03:45 - PermaEthos 1.0
05:20 - PermaEthos 2.0
06:31 - PermaEthos 2.5

Round 3: Meanwhile.. At Paul’s Place
https://youtu.be/rNzPh5FKavI?t=8m45s

08:55 - Ant Village
09:04 - Deep Roots
11:00 - Jack Spirko
13:51 - Podcast 66, Deviating from Deviation
14:48 - Humidor Book

Round 4: The Coolest Classroom in the World 17:17
https://youtu.be/rNzPh5FKavI?t=17m17s

29:06 - Jim’s Roundwood Timber Framing Workshop
37:20 - bearpaw.weebly.com

Round 5: Growing Toward a Template 40:14
https://youtu.be/rNzPh5FKavI?t=40m14s

40:26 - BootCamp
41:20 - Curmudgeon book mentioned.. Sorry, at a loss for the author’s name. Cant understand Paul
42:05 - Pep 1 Program
43:00 - Foxfire Book Series
48:27 - Sepp Holzer
48:45 - Joel Salatin




Round 6: Men are Built not Taught  51:26
https://youtu.be/rNzPh5FKavI?t=51m25s

53:02 - Joel Salatin Program
54:12 - Wwoof Week
58:06 - Boot Camp Program
58:26 - Gapper Program
1:15:05 - Dick Proenneke
1:15:07 - Sepp Holzer
1:15:20 - Jacqueline Freeman


Round 7: The Problem Is the Solution
https://youtu.be/rNzPh5FKavI?t=1h17m24s

1:18:30 - Kudzu: Not a Problem

Round 8: Cyclone Debbie 1:20:05
https://youtu.be/rNzPh5FKavI?t=1h20m5s

1:20:21 - Geoff Lawton
1:20:31 - Alex Clarke FB Live Video, www.facebook.com/alex.clarke/videos/10155171978939184
1:21:23 - Geoff Lawton video, https://www.facebook.com/rotorwinghelicopters/videos/vb.712900278805109/1309934139101717/?type=2&theater
1:21:23 - Geoff Lawton video, ‘The Power of Water’ https://www.facebook.com/geoff.lawton.12/videos/vb.210351059151433/638425026344032/?type=2&theater
1:23:22 - David Spicer/Geoff Lawton video, ‘Flood Waters Flowing through Zaytuna Farm’ https://www.facebook.com/geoff.lawton.12/videos/vb.210351059151433/637797433073458/?type=2&theater
1:28:09 - Facebook
1:28:11 - PermEase
1:28:20 - Geoff Lawton
1:28:22 - Sepp Holzer
1:28:24 - Fook Oka (?)

Round 9: PDC Smackdown
https://youtu.be/rNzPh5FKavI?t=1h36m33s

1:38:46 - Tim Barker
1:40:28 - Toby Enway
1:45:00 - The Matrix
1:46:53 - Sepp Holzer videos
Round 10: 2 Last Big Things 1:54:32
https://youtu.be/rNzPh5FKavI?t=1h54m32s

1:54:58 - Geoff Lawton
1:55:58 - Bill Mollison
1:58:02 - Leon the Shaman
2:02:32 - https://permaethos.com/permaethos-blog-updates/

Episode 0010 - Hey Guys, We’re Together Today

We had some internet issues on this one.



Round 1: Here at Wheaton Labs.. Hangin’ out with Paul

01:22 - Simon & Garfunkel Permaculture
02:10 - Patrion only chicken video on YouTube
02:48 - Paul has 2 new podcasts
03:47 - ‘How Do I Patrion’ Thread at PermEase
04:45 - Podcast 111
06:36 - Care and Feeding of a Rocket Mass Heater
06:38 - Hugelkultur Micro-documentery
09:37 - “You’re Going to Hell. Earth is Dying” Video (Age of Stupid)

Round 2: The Future of Creating Gaia's Garden 10:27
https://youtu.be/uWKZ2cqiMh0?t=10m27s

10:38 - Creating Gaia's Garden Course
10:46 - Toby Hemingway
10:56 - Permaculture Research Institute, USA

Round 3: Literary Culture in Permaculture 12:12
https://youtu.be/uWKZ2cqiMh0?t=12m12s

12:41 - Josiah mentions a book.
12:53 - Starhawk
13:07 - The 5th Sacred Thing, Starhawk
13:10 - Edible Landscaping with a Permaculture Twist, Michael Judd
13:32 - Note to Paul and Adrian
13:57 - www.richsoil.com
16:21 - Paul is The Duke of Permaculture
17:04 - www.permease.com
17:37 - Green Woodwork, Mike Abbott
19:17 - The Big Black Book, The Designer’s Manual
19:36 - The Good Life, Unknown Author
20:18 - 200 Times More Permaculture

Round 4: Permaculture Plagiarism
https://youtu.be/uWKZ2cqiMh0?t=21m19s

23:51 - Using Paul’s Stuff Thread @ Permease
24:45 - Google & Facebook

Round 5: Hugelkultur Workshop for Kids Ideas
https://youtu.be/uWKZ2cqiMh0?t=27m34s

29:05 - Permaculture Smackdown Easter Egg
29:49 - Sepp Holzer
30:39 - Head First EJB, Bert Bates and Kathy Sierra
31:45 - Java Ranch

Round 6: Getting Wood with Permaculture 37:25
https://youtu.be/uWKZ2cqiMh0?t=37m25s

38:45 - Ben has Redwood

Round 7: Josiah’s First Day on the Ranch 39:35
https://youtu.be/uWKZ2cqiMh0?t=39m35s

51:41 - Brian wants a Permanent Parcel

Round 8: Junk Pole Peckerwood 52:43
https://youtu.be/uWKZ2cqiMh0?t=52m43s

56:23 - “What size is a Junk Pole?” -Brian Wood

Round 9: Ant Villagers Aren’t Homeless!  56:35
https://youtu.be/uWKZ2cqiMh0?t=56m35s

1:00:07 - www.permies.com/t/47814/willow-feeder-wheelie-bin-pooper
1:00:15 - www.permies.com/t/39351/rock-jack
1:00:23 - www.permies.com/t/47946/junkpole-fence-freaky-cheap-chicken
1:03:06 - Comville(?)
1:13:45 - Junkpole fence page 2
1:14:30 - Gapper vs Ant
1:18:52 - “The Village”
1:19:51 - Rock Jack
1:22:56 - Junk Pole design

Round 10: Independent Thought Consent Dictator Hybrid 1:34:25
https://youtu.be/uWKZ2cqiMh0?t=1h34m25s

1:37:22 - Dictator must be Evil Dictator
1:41:28 - Book(s) - Doom(?)
Round 11: Lemon(less) Tree 1:43:08
https://youtu.be/uWKZ2cqiMh0?t=1h43m8s

1:44:22 - World Domination Gardening 3-DVD Set
1:45:00 - 10x10 Site
1:47:00 - www.richsoil.com/wdg

Round 12: How Can You Have Your Pudding if You Don’t Eat Your Meat?? 1:48:01
https://youtu.be/uWKZ2cqiMh0?t=1h48m1s

1:48:40 - Projects that need to be done
1:50:45 - Tall Paul podcast
1:51:02 - Bill Mollison
1:52:00 - Paul Wheaton Show; Permies Community Show
1:53:20 - Bill Mollison vision
1:53:22 - Sepp Holzer
1:53:30 - Geoff Lawton
1:53:39 - Ben Falk
1:53:50 - Joel Salatin
1:54:45 - Paul wants to put the permanent in Permaculture
1:57:23 - Permaculture Smackdown Graphics Revealed

Episode 11 - Purple Pee Ain’t Free!


Round 1: Updates

00:30 - PDC
01:36 - Toby Hemingway
01:40 - Passive Solar Greenhouse course
02:00 - Geoff Lawton
05:38 - $100 idea
10:08 - Tim Barker

Round 2: The Colors of the Community 13:33
https://youtu.be/b0HSc2zfkwg?t=13m33s

17:34 - World Domination
19:38 - Passive Solar Greenhouse Course with Rob Avis
19:50 - www.permaethos.com
20:00 - Verge Permaculture

Round 3: The Cost of Free 20:04
https://youtu.be/b0HSc2zfkwg?t=20m4s

20:15 - Rob’s Greenhouse Course Promo

Round 4: What Are We Talking About? 23:13
https://youtu.be/b0HSc2zfkwg?t=23m13s

23:30 - Josiah’s Tour
24:05 - The Love Shack
24:22 - Ernie & Eric
25:09 - Feast Night
25:30 - Bear Paw
26:54 - Allerton Abbey
28:28 - Cooper Cabin

Round 5 - Allerton Abbey 28:31
https://youtu.be/b0HSc2zfkwg?t=28m31s

28:39 - Abbey’s Backside
33:40 - Jacks and Poles
35:50 - Julia get a Shoutout
36:10 - Emily & Tony
36:16 - Teepee
37:00 - Staff Retreat

Round 6: Pee Palace 37:37
https://youtu.be/b0HSc2zfkwg?t=37m37s

39:17 - Pervert Protection
42:45 - Women Peeing Outdoors Podcast
42:49 - Anna Birkis
45:08 - Willow Bank

Round 7: Bodily Fluids, Compost and Pathogens 46:38
https://youtu.be/b0HSc2zfkwg?t=46m38s

46:45 - Christopher has a question about composting weeds
49:15 - Lots of podcasts found at Permies
52:10 - “I could say…”
55:16 - “Don’t eat yellow snow!”

Round 8: Closing with the Tour 55:33
https://youtu.be/b0HSc2zfkwg?t=55m33s

55:40 - Teepee
56:50 - Emily & Tony
58:00 - Ant Village
58:15 - Beehive @ Teepee
58:56 - YouTube Morel Mushroom
1:00:45 - Bear Paw Video Gallery Teaser

Episode 12 - Powerfully Racing Into the Mind of Paul Wheaton


Round 1: It’s On and Stuff’s Happening

00:38 - Paul’s junk has been seen 97.5 Million views as of March 2017. Congrats Paul.
00:43 - www.permies.com is at 1.1M for the month of April.

Round 2: Still at Paul’s House 06:00
https://youtu.be/W5BPhO1Z_ww?t=6m

06:55 - Susie Bean made the best huckleberry pie
07:10 - Lots of pie as people arrive

Round 3: Bear Paw is racing. Changes, we’re embracing. 08:05
https://youtu.be/W5BPhO1Z_ww?t=8m5s

08:30 - Balcony in a Day
09:43 - A little bit longer than it needs to be
11:16 - “Power corrupts. Absolute power is kinda neat”
12:10 - Fred is the “Not-Paul”
14:45 - The Comedy Generator
15:29 - Pooping in a work of art
15:33 - Willow Feeder
17:30 - Why the Captain doesn’t eat with the crew
20:42 - Hey, Ben!

Round 4: Starting to Kick
https://youtu.be/W5BPhO1Z_ww?t=21m38s

21:59 - www.permies.com/t/65178/kickstarter-pdc-streaming
22:19 - Daniel Becker
22:56 - Josiah is a guinea pig
23:38 - Kickstarter promo video played (Now found at link above)
29:10 - www.kickstarter.com/projects/paulwheaton/248228217?token=1d2ffa79
29:22 - World Domination Gardening Kickstarter
31:39 - Jacqueline Freeman
32:08 - Sepp Holzer

Round 5: Ben, Chicken Videos, and Poop Streams 34:00
https://youtu.be/W5BPhO1Z_ww?t=34m

34:10 - Chicken Videos are on YouTube
34:35 - Water meme
41:00 - Patreon Supporters
44:20 - Josiah’s Pictures & Projects
46:20 - Dana’s Question
49:30 - Rick & Mortie

Round 6: Kicking Toward the Close 50:25
https://youtu.be/W5BPhO1Z_ww?t=50m25s

50:25 - $5 Pledge Breakdown
50:40 - Michael Jordan’s “Are Bees For Me?”
51:29 - Josiah’s Right Boob (aka www.permaethos.com)
52:32 - Marjory Wildcraft
54:22 - Streaming version, Fire Science DVD
54:27 - 4-DVD set
55:06 - New 4-DVD Set (with Heaters)
55:19 - Old 4-DVD Set (Wood Burning)
1:00:00 - World Domination Gardening
1:01:35 - Rocket Mass Heaters
1:02:15 - Rob Avis, Passive Solar Greenhouse Course
1:03:50 - Tim Barker

Round 7: We’re Out of Time, But… 1:07:15
https://youtu.be/W5BPhO1Z_ww?t=1h7m15s

1:07:45 - Nick Fouch
1:08:11 - Fouchomatic YouTube Channel
1:09:25 - Paul needs to lay pipe and shower
1:10:06 - Bear Paw takes it a step farther
1:10:45 - Wwoof Programs
1:11:45 - Boot Food
1:12:15 - 2 New Podcasts with Fred: The Well and Becoming Awesome Through Challenges
1:12:50 - How it all began

Episode 13 - Goals, Hate and Swales


Round 1: Gettin’ it Together

00:10 - Mark sucks at asking questions.
01:18 - Live on FB
01:32 - No more Rick and Morty
02:09 - Kickstarter raised all the funds in 22 hours
02:42 - Geoff Lawton’s online PDC
02:46 - Bill Mollison thing
03:44 - YouTube video coming soon starring Bear Paw

Round 2: Before I (Paul) Forget 04:00
https://youtu.be/i1BiFJgLdW0?t=4m1s

04:34 - Richard Perkins - https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/oasselin/gracies-backyard
04:56 - Permaculture Orchard
05:18 - PE.tv Presentations
05:21 - Olivier movie
06:53 - Josiah in Canada
07:18 - www.permies.com/t/65205/Gracie-Backyard-documentary-film-world

Round 3: New Stuff at Permies 09:30
https://youtu.be/i1BiFJgLdW0?t=9m30s

09:34 - Nick Fouch
09:55 - Video from Dan
10:07 - https://permies.com/t/65315/permaculture-projects/couch-balcony-wood-timber-framing
13:47 - Willow Wonka and the (different kind of) Chocolate Factory
15:31 - Something
16:13 - Hello to Julia and Ben
18:09 - Permaculture Skills
18:20 - Smith Force Hard Cider (Josiah drinking on the job.)

Round 4: To Biochar, or not to Biochar? 18:53
https://youtu.be/i1BiFJgLdW0?t=18m53s

18:53 - www.ithaka-journal.net/55-anwendungen-von-pflanzenkohle?lang=en
19:02 - www.permies.com/t/12030/Biochar-good
20:44 - www.permaculturenews.org/2010/11/18/beware-the-biochar-initiative
21:55 - Josiah gets creative
24:28 - Willie Smits, PV1
25:15 - Diego Footer podcast
Round 5: Everybody Hates Paul 25:17
https://youtu.be/i1BiFJgLdW0?t=25m17s

25:30 - Permaculture Voices
26:05 - Paul comes with warning labels
31:44 - Warm and Fuzzy Paul
31:55 - Mark Harris liked Paul’s Keynote
32:48 - Geoff Lawton
33:20 - Kick sexistism in the nuts!
33:35 - Billy got his videos
33:50 - Ben compares biochar and hugelkultur

Round 6: If you share at permies, this is how we roll. 34:52
https://youtu.be/i1BiFJgLdW0?t=34m52s

38:40 - www.coderanch.com
40:05 - Bear Paw

Round 7: Oh, wow! A permaculture question! 42:03
https://youtu.be/i1BiFJgLdW0?t=42m3s

42:05 - Jaime asks about which elevation is best when installing swales
42:56 - Richard Perkins

Round 8: Lots of Hate on YouTube, but not at Permies 43:28
https://youtu.be/i1BiFJgLdW0?t=43m28s

43:28 - Ben’s comment about deleting hate
44:05 - Julia didn’t know..
45:20 - Oh, hey! Speaking of…
46:47 - www.kickstarter.com/projects/paulwheaton/live-stream-permaculture-design-course-and-app-tec/description  Support this for $1!

Round 9: The Stretch Goal 47:20
https://youtu.be/i1BiFJgLdW0?t=47m20s

47:35 - Compliments of Paul, Josiah and Daniel Bender
48:15 - The goal reward is…

Round 10: Back to the Swales 51:19
https://youtu.be/i1BiFJgLdW0?t=51m19s

52:00 - Jaime asks, If not swales…
52:30 - Supreme executive with bacon, cheese and sparkles
52:42 - Make a food forest
53:00 - Permaculture Orchard movie
53:20 - 10% rule
53:49 - Frost pocket
54:18 - Ponds
54:25 - P.A. Yeoman - Heat line systems
55:45 - Deep Roots/Ant Village
56:04 - Jesse Grimes

Round 11: Throttle Down with Data 59:32
https://youtu.be/i1BiFJgLdW0?t=59m32s

1:01:08 - Verizon
1:03:34 - Tim Barker
1:05:17 - Tim & Geoff, 2 Australian Dudes
1:05:32 - Helen Atthowe
1:08:25 - Other PDC (Montana) Cancelled
1:08:40 - Warren Brush
1:09:34 - Jessica Peterson
1:12:00 - 2 Tickets left
1:12:25 - Esther Emry (Nick’s wife) will be there doing a daily YouTube video
1:12:31 - Fauchomatic Channel
1:13:12 - What a sad, sad waste of pie.

paul wheaton wrote:Permaculture smackdown starts in a few hours.  Tuesdays at 2 (mountain time).   Everybody can watch for free.  Patreon peeps get access to the interactive chat thing, so they can make points and ask questions as we go.  Plus, patreon peeps get bonus access that is NOT broadcast to hear about the things that are not fit for the public!

https://www.patreon.com/paulwheaton

Another smackdown will be today at 2 (mountain).  Patreon supporters get to influence the show!

Posted on patreon:

i have missed the last few weeks of permaculture smackdown for various reasons and am having paul and josiah withdrawals. is there a place to go watch them online or do i have to wait until they come out on youtube. i haven't found a link anywhere. really love the time i get to spend listening to you all every week. thanks for all the work you have done. we are starting to look at land that is less desireable for most people, but i see it as a blank slate to do some wonderful things. with out you and all the wonderful permies i have found since watching you, i am excited to see what we can do once we actually get our own piece. once again thanks. can't say that too much.

That is mostly my fault:  I went to a funeral in the seattle area.  On the way, we didn't know what the internet connectivity would be like.  So I contacted josiah and cancelled.  I know that josiah and I have been on the phone with each other  a LOT during the last few weeks, hammering out details for his new kickstarter.   It is now launched - more info here:  https://permies.com/t/75305/Farm-Sustainability-Tour-Kickstarter

I think it would be good to have all of the episodes posted in this thread.  For a while josiah was posting what was being discussed along with time points.  That was pretty cool.  Maybe folks can look at josiah's youtube channel and fish videos out of there to embed in this thread?  https://www.youtube.com/user/PermaEthos/videos

Smackdown starts in 15 minutes.   $1 gets you a front row seat and you comments influence discussion.  That same dollar gets you dozens of other goodies and helps to propel all of my projects.

https://www.patreon.com/paulwheaton

All of the stuff you see here is all josiah.  That is the thing I really like about the smackdown.  I just show up and everything else is done.  

How about this, you embed all the episodes that are not in this thread yet, and I will see if I can persuade josiah to upload the episodes that are not yet on youtube.  Deal?

i will work on that some today

 should be the link to the whole smackdown playlist.  i will work on adding them individually also