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!!!! permaculture bootcamp - learn permaculture through some hard work, and then get your own acre

 
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In a nutshell:  This is our gapper program, but with some grit and structure to it.  The boot will get a bunk, access to the fisher price house and some basic food staples.  As an added bonus, if they stick around for 18 months *, they will be awarded an acre of their own to play with.

* = note:   We ran the math and ....   we will honor the 18 month exchange for an acre for people that put coin in before May 1, 2017.   After May 1, it will be 21 months.  And, as mentioned below, for some hard working folk, this number will be reduced.


Fred and Kai will be leading this. 



Six days a week would be:

   7am everybody starts making breakfast.  By 7:50, everybody has eaten and cleaned up.

   8am on the job

   noon everybody makes lunch.  By 12:50 everybody has eaten and cleaned up.

   1pm on the job

   5pm everybody starts making dinner.  By 7pm everybody has eaten and cleaned up.


The tasks would be broken up so people don't spend too much time doing something boring.

About eight hours a week is focused on things that are of direct benefit to the boots.  This might include gardening, wildcrafting food (huckleberries, morel mushrooms, nettles, etc.) or improving a cabin.

Food staples will be provided.  Although it is hoped that boots will eventually provide food for the boots.

Either party can end this relationship at any time.




There will be experiences built.  Cannot guarantee that they will be amazing and educational experiences that boots might dream about.  There will be a fair bit of log peeling, fence building and seed planting. 



boots-to-roots:  After 18 months * as a dedicated boot, boots will be given a deep roots package.  A hard working boot might carve several months off of that.  

(* = note:   We ran the math and ....   we will honor the 18 month exchange for an acre for people that put coin in before May 1, 2017.   After May 1, it will be 21 months. )


Limit of six boots at any time.


tasks will include:

    - building stuff for future boots

          - more food systems
          - more bunks
          - more beauty
          - more fun things

    - building basic skills

          - using a variety of rocket mass heaters
          - harvesting wood for building, burning, hugelkultur, mulch, etc.
          - building furniture and structures from roundwood
          - building fence
          - building with cob
          - earthworks, ponds, hugelkultur,
          - permaculture gardening
          - cooking
          - cooking with wood fired stuff
          - wildcrafting
          - solving homesteading issues
          - scything




Boots might be able to attend some workshops here at no cost.  Of course, the time spent does not count to your total-time-to-deep-roots, and it might come at a cost of some weeks added to your total-time-to-deep-roots.




A boot can come for a day, a week, a month ...  of course, once we have six boots working long term, then we cannot accept any more boots until there is an opening.

Taking a few days here and there to do projects with the ants or take breaks away from boot camp is fine.  But Fred has the discretion to decide that if a boot is away too long, it might be time to let a new boot in and the boot that is away goes to the back of the line for the waiting list for the boot program.

Once you have a deep roots plot, you could:

- build a home and plant a garden (do the gert thing)
- sell it
- pimp it out and sell it
- walk away from it
- camp on it
- develop some salatin-style-fiefdoms



If things go well, it is possible that extending one's stay in the boot program for six months could lead to helping a boot get a start on their new plot with the shell of a structure, some hugelkultur and a fence.  More news on this when we get about eight months into the bootcamp program.

To get in, you must pay the non-refundable gapper fee of $100.  Send monies via paypal to paul at richsoil.com or bitcoin: 177pNU2a9iCpUXQwXX9EbtA2UwZpgeqcMT

First come, first serve.   Once the permaculture bootcamp program is full, we will start a waiting list.


Staff note (Jocelyn Campbell):

For more info, including links to videos and more pictures, see the summary of all things wheaton labs.

 
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Can two boots cash in on one 'roots' after 18 combined months? If they do, can they continue for another combined 18 months for an adjacent plot?
 
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Kyrt Ryder wrote:Can two boots cash in on one 'roots' after 18 combined months? If they do, can they continue for another combined 18 months for an adjacent plot?


Both of these ideas sound fine to me right now. 

I am curious how this program will go.  Will we say that this is just for the first six?  Will we continue the program but change the terms?  Will there be a waiting list?  What then? 

So, for now, my official answer is something like "I think so.  Probably."
 
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Click on the thumbs up for this post if you think you might want to be a boot - whether you go for 18 months or not.
 
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Click on the thumbs up for this post if you think you might want to be a boot and go all the way to getting roots.
 
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Very interested in this opportunity. For me, it's a matter of timing; I've got some things in the works that would prevent me from spending 18 months, virtually off-grid, in Montana (as tempting as it sounds). Do you foresee this opportunity extending beyond this cohort? How many 1 acre plots are going to be made available before it starts looking more like the Wheaton Estates subdivision?
 
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So far, total number of people that have jumped up to say "can I come out right now?":   zero

Total number of people that have said "I will be there with bells on, February 4.  How do I make sure I reserve a spot?":  zero

And you are asking me "what if 147 thousand people want in on this?" 

I think that when we get to the point that we have four, I will start to try and figure out what to do if we have more than six.  I think we will do some sort of waiting list.
 
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paul wheaton wrote:Total number of people that have said "I will be there with bells on, February 4.  How do I make sure I reserve a spot?":  zero


You had to know that asking people to move to Montana in the dead of winter would be a tough sell But, I'm not most people; so if I can make it happen I will. Not making any promises that I'll be wearing bells though.
 
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We've had a lot of people show up in the fall with intent of spending the winter here.   A lot of people are super curious about the rocket mass heaters.

 
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I understand the risks of asking a question like this, knowing that unsupervised kids at wheaton labs may be fed to the bears or set on top of a rocket mass barrel.  However, I am curious if this program may be flexed to accommodate families where one spouse will work his tail off, and the other will stay in charge of the litter. I love the idea of raising my family in a homesteading environment.
 
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Wow, wish I were a younger man, I would jump at this chance to get in on an acre of land! But, I am a 60-year old heart patient now and I do believe that my boot-days are long gone. Maybe in another lifetime.
 
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Nothing scary about a "little" snow!  It's the cloud cover that would get to me eventually but this is an awesome deal!  I'd love to see a workshop or something similar where tools and methods could be adapted for people with some mobility limitations.  It's a future project of mine.
 
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Beau Davidson wrote: I understand the risks of asking a question like this, knowing that unsupervised kids at Wheaton labs may be fed to the bears or set on top of a rocket mass barrel.  However, I am curious if this program may be flexed to accommodate families where one spouse will work his tail off, and the other will stay in charge of the litter. I love the idea of raising my family in a homesteading environment.


Welcome to the forums, Beau! This sounds doable, though there are some kinda complicated details to work out when we're providing housing, utilities, basic food for three (or more, depending on the kiddos), instead of one. With a lot of "it depends" kind of situations...


 
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Robbie Asay wrote:Nothing scary about a "little" snow!  It's the cloud cover that would get to me eventually but this is an awesome deal!


We have a thread about the weather at wheaton labs - winters and summers. We have a remarkable amount of sun here in the winter months, IMHO.
 
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Wow, what an amazing thing. I wish the USA allowed people in (from the UK) for longer than 6 months, I'd be very tempted to park my life and try to be one of the two people still there at the end.
 
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Jocelyn Campbell wrote:We have a thread about the weather at wheaton labs - winters and summers. We have a remarkable amount of sun here in the winter months, IMHO.


Anything has to be an improvement over western WA cloud cover(9 months)!  I was made to understand by a few people living around the are that Missoula gets about 8 months of cloud cover but maybe they included the smoke in that.
 
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Beau Davidson wrote: I understand the risks of asking a question like this, knowing that unsupervised kids at Wheaton labs may be fed to the bears or set on top of a rocket mass barrel.  However, I am curious if this program may be flexed to accommodate families where one spouse will work his tail off, and the other will stay in charge of the litter. I love the idea of raising my family in a homesteading environment.


I like the idea of doing something like that some day. 

I offered something a lot like this a year and a half ago, but had no takers.  I thought it would be cool to bring in three families and they could support each other.  But I had zero families to try this idea. 

The word "bootcamp" starts off with some meaning where a person would go and share bunks with 50 other people for three months.  More recently it has come to mean something where a person will pay to go get training in something for a week to a month. And the style of training is experiential.  But in neither of those scenarios is there a family. 

I do think that a person could get an ant plot, build a little something for their whole family and that would work. 

There have been kids here.  Lots of kids.   A few were amazingly cool and most were not.   And since the fisher price house is not childproof, a parent needs to rain down hell on a toddler to get them to not destroy things - and in the end stuff just gets wrecked.

The thing with kids has been brought up dozens of times.   For the first time ever, I'm going to do this:   what do you propose?
 
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Robbie Asay wrote: maybe they included the smoke in that.


Smoke?   You mean the forest fire stuff in august?  We didn't see much of that this year.
 
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I think this is one of the coolest ideas I've ever heard! Really cool Paul! I hope you get a great group over there. I'm a little far away, but I'm routing for you. It seems that this is a great way to develop a strong community with people having a similar mindset. Eighteen months of separating the wheat from the chaff and a reward at the end. With a growing community of self sufficient people. Just brilliant!

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3rd times The Charm! 😊
 
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If I want to come from South Africa would I allowed to own land in the US? Is this offer for US peeps only? I also have an 8yr old kid...that I would probably bring along...exploring unschooling with her. This offer sounds too good to be true, everyone says around here. There must be a catch. But the thing is, for me, I go by feeling...and so far it feels legit and good.
 
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You would not be owning land. 

My impression is that the US gub'mint allows people to come here for a few months and then you have to leave.    But I gotta say there is a lot with coming and going from other countries that I don't understand.

As for an eight year old:  it depends on how well the 8 year old works.  But I am open to giving it a try for a week or two.


 
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It sounds like we might fill all six spots in the next couple of days.   So I just gotta make it clear right now:   first come, first serve.

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paypal:  paul at richsoil.com

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It's official.  All six spots are now full.

People are welcome to:

-   sign up for the waiting list.  To do this, you still need to part with the gapper fee.  Or, for those that have been here in the past as a gapper, or attended a workshop, you can just send fred an email and you will be put onto the waiting list.

-   sign up for a spot before febuary 4.   The program won't be quite as formal, but some people might find some benefit.  And that time would still go towards a roots package.   When febuary 4 comes around, you can be a regular gapper with the ants.  If you are also on the waiting list, then there is a chance you will be able to get into the bootcamp later. 


I talked to fred about possibly expanding the boot program.  I agree with him that we should first get a few weeks under our belt with six and see how things go from there.


 
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paul wheaton wrote:It's official.  All six spots are now full.

Congratulations, Paul and Fred!  Based on reading the forums, I didn't think you would get many takers.  But there is so much context that we barbarians out here in the ether don't get.

Fred, I guess you have 3-ish months to get ready.  I encourage you to post tool needs to a "love" thread!
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Kerry Rodgers wrote:
Fred, I guess you have 3-ish months to get ready.  I encourage you to post tool needs to a "love" thread!


Good point!  It would probably be good to have shovels, picks, drawknives, spuds ....

Technically, all boots are gappers.  So I suppose all the gapper love stuff would be okay.

 
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I updated the first post to show that the bootcamp program is now full and how folks can get on the waiting list.
 
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Sorry but it appears that my specialness is showing but how do I properly get a hold of Kia and Fred about all this? Or is this the preferred form of contact on this site.
 
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Garett Conner wrote:Sorry but it appears that my specialness is showing but how do I properly get a hold of Kia and Fred about all this? Or is this the preferred form of contact on this site.

Hi Garett - I think we've connected with you outside the forums - yay! I'm a bit slow in replying, though I thought I'd repeat part of Paul's first post in case it helps anyone else:

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NOTE!  The bootcamp program is currently FULL. 

We are maintaining a waiting list.   To get in line, you must pay the non-refundable gapper fee ($20 to $100, depending - details here).  

There are two spots left for now until Feb 4.  A gapper could arrive, be part of the early-boot program, and then on February 4, they could help ants in ant village until there is an opening in the bootcamp program.  If this sounds like a possibility for you, please email fred at richsoil.com.

Other gappers that wish to be part of the boot program are also welcome to come and work with the ants until spots in the bootcamp program open up.   Gappers that are helping ants will be given preference over gappers that are not here yet.

Depending on how things go, we might expand the bootcamp program to facilate 8 or more at a later time. 

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Hey guys and gals, I'm curious as to how well the program is filling up. I've tried to amass a small community of workers of like minds to do something very similar. I've found that the biggest deterrent is land ownership. You have obviously taken care of that part (and I would hope that you give more than just a verbal agreement for this), but suppose someone does the numbers in their head and decides that all the work they provide isn't worth 1 single acre? I'm honestly curious as I have been a farm manager in Haiti for 3 years and also WWOOFed around the NE for 2 years now. I was basically WWOOFing before that before I knew of that organization. I've built up peoples' lands, farms, homes, businesses, customers, etc. But I've found the greed of owners too much and expectations way too high, while they are never willing to do something even remotely similar to what they expect you to do. So, what makes your place, in a very cold area of the country, worth it all? This is coming from someone who doesn't walk away from a very shitty experience before at least a year has passed so I can feel I had stamina and perseverance and gave it a go. Been burned, sounds wonderful, but still sounds the same as many places I helped build only to be left out in the cold.
 
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Howdy Jay , welcome to permies!

You did read the above posts that said the program is full and taking backup names right?

Have you taken some time to look at some of the posts here that have videos of all of the things that are going on in the ant village?
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Miles Flansburg wrote:Howdy Jay , welcome to permies!

You did read the above posts that said the program is full and taking backup names right?

Have you taken some time to look at some of the posts here that have videos of all of the things that are going on in the ant village?


As I understand this is verbal so far or have all arrived? Nothing is for certain until the "boots are on the ground". I guess my questions should be directed to someone more personal than a discussion forum. And yes, I read this entire discussion forum. I have not seen the videos yet.
 
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Miles Flansburg wrote:Howdy Jay , welcome to permies!

You did read the above posts that said the program is full and taking backup names right?

Have you taken some time to look at some of the posts here that have videos of all of the things that are going on in the ant village?

Where are these videos in this post you speak of?
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Jay Frenier wrote:
Miles Flansburg wrote:Howdy Jay , welcome to permies!

You did read the above posts that said the program is full and taking backup names right?

Have you taken some time to look at some of the posts here that have videos of all of the things that are going on in the ant village?

Where are these videos in this post you speak of?


If you look at the whole wheaton labs forum you'll find lots of threads with videos.  Jesse's ant village thread might be a good place to start.
 
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Right at the top of this forum, there's a little note under the first post, with a link to a summary of all things wheaton labs.  This is a really good gateway to learning more about the work Paul does and the opportunities for people who wish to visit, stay or even make a home there.  This might help you understand more about what this is all about and what you can expect from wheaton labs.  The boots-to-roots programme is just one of many opportunities.
 
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I thought you meant in this forum. Yes, I have been all through the site over the past many years. This is my first time posting (probably my last) but I have been following Paul for quite a long time now. I'll quit asking questions as no one really tried to answer them. Good luck on the village and boot camp and all. Love. Peace.
 
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