New forum request: green innovations

Hi, could you add new section to site, maybe called "green chemistry" or maybe "green innovations" or something like that, were experiments, innovations, news from world etc. could be displayed and discussed.

I was inspired to write this message after reading this book where I quote now a piece.

Also wikipedia has "green chemistry" page which is kind of cool name:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_chemistry

"The most significant breakthrough will be developing green
solar production systems that enable people globally to begin to grow
algae for products of local need.

The ignition switch for the movement
to engage 10 million Green Masterminds in algal production will be
design, development, demonstration and diffusion of micro
algaculture systems for villages, apartments, rooftops and homes.
"

Source for quote:

http://www.fao.org/uploads/media/Green_Algae_Strategy.pdf

Came to mind that maybe better new section would be just for microalgaes, since they have shown so great promise in so many problems, I think they deserve own section!

I myself have much content to there already, mostly on innovations and scientific research, just to show some idea shortly:

Chlorine in algae (and in fertilizer!)

This just does not add to me..

As also in here it is stated, that clorine is bad for algae but in the same text they say - calcium chloride should be used as fertilizer.

So I think, this is one main reason - yet no-one seems to talk about it, that in chemical fertilizers, we cannot ever have the maximum yield, since for example chlorine exists in such great amounts in fertilizer:

"We use tap water, filtered through activated carbon (such as a Brita) or through a ceramic filter (such as a Berkey). Algae are quite sensitive to chlorine (which is why it’s used in the first place!), so tap water is only usable if the chlorine has been removed—which can be done using products sold for fish aquariums.

The afore-mentioned filters, and de-chlorination, leave minerals in the water, which is generally a good thing; if you want to use de-mineralized water such as distilled or reverse osmosis water, or if your water is particularly soft, you may get better growth if you add some combination of 0.1 g/L magnesium sulfate, 0.5 g/L potassium sulfate, and/or 0.1 g/L calcium chloride (or lime or plaster). That said, we have yet to hear of anyone having trouble growing in non- or de-chlorinated drinking water of any kind."

http://www.algaeindustrymagazine.com/growing-spirulina-at-home/

So when we add calcium chloride it is CaCl2 which means, we have two chloride atoms per one calcium atom.

So if the chloride is bad for algae, why we feed the algae with calcium and doubletime with chlorine? This just makes no sense to me.

I think, in generally, the moderators like to have a few threads to populate a new forum with. If you can search through our forums and find threads that would fit in your forum, they might be more inclined to make a forum. When someone asked to have a a new forum for Polinators, Paul said this:

paul wheaton wrote:We've created a lot of new forums recently that don't have enough content.  

So, maybe we should set up some rules for creating a new forum:

1:  there needs to be at least 20 threads that already exist on permies that could be added to the new forum.

2:  the person suggesting it will create at least three new threads that don't already exist on permies.

3:  somebody on the staff is willing to create the forum and help with shuffling threads so we don't start off with an empty forum.


I think that all three could be met pretty easily for a pollinators forum.   Somebody wanna make a list (with links) for #1?  And then a list for #2?   Do we have somebody on the staff willing to do #3?

For now, maybe you could post about your fascinating research in the Science and Research forum, or maybe Toxin-ectomy or even Aquaponics

I hope that helps, and thank you for telling me about "Green chemistry"--I didn't know such a field of study existed!

Good notice, thanks Nicole for the advice, I will use it.

With quick search from forums (spirulina is microalgae, isnt really a plant, macroalgae are defined as plants in science though).

I used the searchwords: spirulina, algae.

Maybe later will think of other search words, that could be in this new subforum "green innovations/green chemistry", also maybe other people can think and search too?

Also, we should think what kind of material could be transferred to there.

I am sure there is quite many experimental, or idea-based etc. topics that could be transferred to "green chemistry".

Here is some topics I made myself:

Zooplankton & phytoplankton (semi-closed ecosystem)

https://permies.com/t/64217/Zooplankton-phytoplankton-semi-closed-ecosystem


Chemical elements in Spirulina culture medium

https://permies.com/t/64019/Chemical-elements-Spirulina-culture-medium


Closed system composting bioreactor

https://permies.com/t/64033/Closed-system-composting-bioreactor



New generation LED light + some other thoughts

https://permies.com/t/64028/generation-LED-light-thoughts



Other topics in forum:

spirulina growing in plants

https://permies.com/t/6456


success growing Spirulina, chlorella etc? in plants

https://permies.com/t/26527


growing spirulina in closed loop photobioreactor on roof tops in plants

https://permies.com/t/56946



Free and fresh summer seeds and live spirulina exchange in plants

https://permies.com/t/42842



growing Chlorella and Spirulina indoors human consumption. Safe Fertilizer? in organic

https://permies.com/t/11256


Spirulina to Grow Biomass? in biogas

https://permies.com/t/42851



micro algae in urban

https://permies.com/t/50558



algae bio in biodiesel

https://permies.com/t/47779


Spirulina growing using Versonal Iron Chelate in plants

https://permies.com/t/38197


SF BAY AREA: Superfood/Biofuel/Home-Grown Spirulina WORKSHOP in southwest usa

https://permies.com/t/12549



algae as fertilizer for forest garden? in forest garden

https://permies.com/t/37935



Algae to crude oil: Million-year natural process takes minutes in the lab in biodiesel

https://permies.com/t/30768


algae lamp? in alternative energy

https://permies.com/t/22055


Algae Space Farming in meaningless drivel

https://permies.com/t/14083


Re: watering with algae in rain barrel in organic

https://permies.com/t/8448


Re: Algae filled fish tank water on plants? in organic

https://permies.com/t/4074

75 topics found with word "experiment".

I am not sure all of them could be transferred to new forum section, but many of them seem appropriate content.

https://permies.com/forums/jforum?module=search&action=search&forum_id=-1&search_keywords=experiment&match_type=exact&search_in=SUBJECT&forum=&groupByTopic=true&sort_by=time&sort_dir=DESC&search_date=ALL&member_number=&member_first_name=&member_last_name=&member_match_type=memberPosted

I admit to being a little confused as to exactly what you are asking for.

A forum for discussion growing micro-algae?

A forum for green chemistry?

A forum to discuss experiments of all kinds?

The three things do have a certain amount of overlap, but for the most part they seem to be quite different things.  If the moderators can't figure out what belongs in a new forum, then I'm sure the rest of the members can't be expected to figure it out.  Can you pull your ideas together a bit more clearly and tell us exactly what you think is missing here.

I think inventions, innovations, experiments, ideas deserve own forum.

It would be a place, where this collective forum could develop together: something new and valuable.

There is "science and research", but I think it is a place for news and from outside, of this forum.

As that is under "education", experiments etc. are not (yet) education, but we are making our own research into education. Also when test fails, we learn something.

It would be great to have own place, to share ideas and experiments etc. which are developed by the forum members.

But also, as spirulina is microalgae and not plant, now spirulina topics are in forum called "plants".

So I would also think, that algae deserves own forum.

Maybe a new subforum "algae" under "growies"?

Henri Lentonen wrote:I think inventions, innovations, experiments, ideas deserve own forum.
It would be a place, where this collective forum could develop together: something new and valuable.
There is "science and research", but I think it is a place for news and from outside, of this forum.

The science and research forum is "a place for those interested in using and learning about science as a tool to better understand and test permaculture techniques ... so that it will become a useful resource for anyone wishing to learn more and participate in research."  That sounds like the right place for permaculture experiments to be posted.  It's not a place to post news from outside of the forum unless it has a direct connection to permaculture research.

But also, as spirulina is microalgae and not plant, now spirulina topics are in forum called "plants".
So I would also think, that algae deserves own forum.
Maybe a new subforum "algae" under "growies"?

I think it's OK under plants in growies for now.  And the emphasis must be on more permaculture-inspired ways to grow and use it.  If more, and appropriate, threads are made about it, maybe we can make a new forum then.

OK Burra Maluca, thank you for commenting this idea of improvement of the site structure.

It is good to see, that this forum has a good way in admins and users communication in this way.

But I still must say again, that microalgae isnt plant in science.

So I think that is the best reason, now, to make at least subforum for algae.

For permaculture, it has lots of purpose: you can grow it with poo and piss, and use as a) fertilizer to crops b) feed to animals (or yourself but its more challenging setup and quality control) c) producing oxygen for animal shelter in winter so you need less cold air from outside (this is one project of mine I hope to share here also if I get it ready this summer, also the air quality will be better since less outside air=less particulates for animals.)

There is tons of study how it is grown in manure of pigs, cows, chickens. It would be great to have a special place, where you could dump them.

Oh, and also it is widely used as feed to fish!

Here is couple study of how it is used as fertilizer.

I make topic in "science and research" later, with "Spirulina uses in permaculture" where I display the many benefits in one place.

Thanks again for the advice! It makes me happy to produce content to this site and be part of your lovely community. <3

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4838734/

http://file.scirp.org/Html/4-7301167_67817.htm

Henri Lentonen wrote:

I make topic in "science and research" later, with "Spirulina uses in permaculture" where I display the many benefits in one place.

That topic currently belongs in plants, not 'science and research'. Please don't keep posting stuff there that doesn't belong there and making me move it.

I'd suggest making a really, really good post, so that people can easily see how spirulina fits into permaculture and can be part of a wider system.  Get some good discussion going.  Then if it looks like there can be enough relevant discussion that is in harmony with the ideals of this site we'll see about a new forum.  Then I guess I'll have to move all the threads...  

OK, great, thank you again for the advice and patience, plants it is then.

And I will do my best to make it super-thread with many aspects!

Here it is, it came quite short but as there are many spirulina documents online: I just put some basic things there and links, where people can learn more.

https://permies.com/t/64306/Spirulina-cultivation-part-permaculture