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John Macgregor wrote:I have about an acre of gently sloping clay land (southern Australia), which was eaten back to nothing by goats 40 years ago - & nothing has grown since.
Erosion has been happening for a few years, & some gullies now run 100m down to the creek. I filled them with Bill Zeedyk-style weirs & fences, & laid branches & logs across the slope (along the contour), across the expanse of clay. Both have held up fallen leaves & debris, & water, very nicely. I have also been collecting everyone's garden waste from the nearest town, & dumping it all over the clay.
Nine months on, topsoil is forming & things have begun growing in it. It'll probably take 5 years before it's all fixed.
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Revisiting Eden... A creationist considering the earth, and the little spot I own.
Revisiting Eden... A creationist considering the earth, and the little spot I own.
"The rule of no realm is mine. But all worthy things that are in peril as the world now stands, these are my care. And for my part, I shall not wholly fail in my task if anything that passes through this night can still grow fairer or bear fruit and flower again in days to come. For I too am a steward. Did you not know?" Gandolf
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Dan Grubbs wrote:...
2 - Disturb the soil as little as possible. Not everyone agrees, but I feel tillage is bad for soil and exacerbates compaction as well as helps make a bad environment for soil biota. It also reduces water infiltration. ...
"The rule of no realm is mine. But all worthy things that are in peril as the world now stands, these are my care. And for my part, I shall not wholly fail in my task if anything that passes through this night can still grow fairer or bear fruit and flower again in days to come. For I too am a steward. Did you not know?" Gandolf
Marco Banks wrote:Yes, the initial till "lightens" the soil .........
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Jack Tassoni wrote:Wood chips do NOT decompose quickly, being as they are high in carbon and carbon needs nitrogen to decompose.
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Jack Tassoni wrote:Wood chips do NOT decompose quickly, being as they are high in carbon and carbon needs nitrogen to decompose. Yes, the layer that is in contact with earth may decompose quicker but nitrogen is necessary. I suggest clover spread over chips that were spread, a nitrogen fixer. Clay is also high on the ph scale.
Gypsum is usually a neutral ph and is also well documented as used as an additive to break down clay soils. Repurposed Sheetrock works great for this and can be found and welcomed for removal at any jobsite if you relieve them of their scraps. Is it as pure as the wind driven snow? No, but the additives are negligible unless you are want to certify "organic" and even then government testing would show nada containments.
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"The rule of no realm is mine. But all worthy things that are in peril as the world now stands, these are my care. And for my part, I shall not wholly fail in my task if anything that passes through this night can still grow fairer or bear fruit and flower again in days to come. For I too am a steward. Did you not know?" Gandolf
Permaculturist in Battambang (Cambodia) & Victoria (Australia).
Marco Banks wrote:Yes, the initial till "lightens" the soil by introducing a lot of air into the soil profile. But it's an unnatural way of pushing that air into the soil, and it quickly compresses back to an even more compacted state because there is nothing present that holds the soil structure open. Further, all that extra oxygen artificially pumps up the microbial activity, which in turn eats up the soil carbon. Within a couple of months, you've burned through the soil carbon, leaving just mineral soil --- and that compresses like a punctured basketball.
Soil aggregation and aggregate stability are not a result of mechanical processes (running a plow through the soil) but chemical and biological processes. Well-aggregated soils are crumbly and “open”, allowing water to easily infiltrate rather than run off during heavy rain events. They will have the texture of cottage cheese. The exudates produced by plant roots are the glue that binds soil into the crumbly texture. Root surface fungi also produce aggregate glues, further enhancing aggregate stability. Without these glues, no amount of tillage will permanently "lighten" the soil because it all goes back to an even tighter formation.
The name of these fungal glues is glomalin—a chemical produced by Mycorrhizal fungi that increases microporosity (creating empty space within soil for water and air to flow through). Glomalin hangs around for about six months after the root dies and the fungi are no longer present. But it eventually breaks down, and the soil aggregates turn to powder. Every time you till, you rip those fungi to pieces, and thus hinder the production of glomalin. If you want your soil to remain aggregated, you've got to have a continual supply of glomalin being pumped into the soil ---- a living root with attached fungi, preferably, 12 months a year.
So I'd argue that its best to never till --- even the first time. If you can establish a cover crop without tilling, you'll be much better in the long run. If you can innoculate your cover crop seed with a fungal starter, all the better. But even if you don't, there are enough fungal spores floating around out there (and already present in your soil), fungi will eventually colonize your soil.
Best of luck.
Here's a link that talks about soil aggregation.
https://www.nrcs.usda.gov/Internet/FSE_DOCUMENTS/nrcs142p2_052820.pdf
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