Veg Oil Stoves and Lamps

Hi everyone, tired of petroleum products or the electric co to light your way? Well this is a new invention, after living in Tipis and camper vans for many seasons etc.. We got fed up, if you- can burn veg oil then you should be able to cook and light with it~
  Spent about $1800 to patent and work with Invention Marketing co. - to get these into mainstream stores,- Wrong-after they showed this to about 600 big manufactures -they all said No- why?, I'm not sure I think they like dog polishers and digital nose hair trimmers way better. (the status quo)
  So after about six months of this nonsense, we spent another $1000 on tools to manufacture ourselves.
http://www.lodge-tech.net/Veg-oil-Stoves-.html
  These also work great as small greenhouse CO2 Generators/heaters     Thanks~
 

Have you seen the cost of veggie oil lately?  Why would I burn a food product?

  You can get used Veg oil for free from restaurants who have to pay to have it removed.
And even if you buy it in a store it is still waaay cheaper than propane or coleman fuel for campstoves, and you will not be supporting those destructive corporations -see?
  And the fumes from Veg oil are less harmfull as well. and it is vastly safer to use if it get knocked over or something it is not going to burn down your house, and usually puts it self out rather quickly~

You can get used Veg oil for free from restaurants who have to pay to have it removed.

Yes, if you can get it for free, by all means, use it.  I imagine the vast majority of us don't have access to that (I know I don't).

And even if you buy it in a store it is still waaay cheaper than propane or coleman fuel for campstoves

Where I live, it costs about $2/L for general veggie oil (mix of canola/soy/corn).  Olive oil is several times more expensive. So, that's about $7.60 per gallon for veggie oil.  Propane is under $2 per gallon.  Veggie oil is at least 3 times more expensive than propane, here.

you will not be supporting those destructive corporations -see?

Who do you think produces veggie oil?  Have you ever seen a cooking oil producing farm?  EXTREMELY destructive with erosion, pesticides, herbicides, fertilizers, tilling, etc.

vastly safer to use if it get knocked over or something it is not going to burn down your house, and usually puts it self out rather quickly~

Is this really an issue? I've never had a propane stove fall over.  They are a lot wider than they are tall, making them very stable.  I don't know how a stove in a house would fall over, maybe in an earthquake or something.  This is a non-issue for me.

Now, don't get me wrong, I completely support folks self-promoting their home-made products and services.  I just can't see the advantage of this product.

  It is not how much it costs per gallon but the rate that it burns at, the blue flame of propane or coleman fuel burns at a vastly faster rate - meaning it will cost 30-50% more-see.
  Ever witness a  glass kerosene lantern get knocked over??  Poof your room is ablaze in seconds!  not so with Veg Oil, its a no brainer! or have to carry it in your backback and have it leak? or breath those fumes inside your tent?
  If permaculture values are in the farming process it is way bettter than the oil industry, note the gulf oil disater and many others.
  Plus it can be used as a CO2 generator/heater for greenhouses.

I have to admit, if was back-packing I'd *much* rather be carrying veg oil than something like kerosene!

It is not how much it costs per gallon but the rate that it burns at, the blue flame of propane or coleman fuel burns at a vastly faster rate - meaning it will cost 30-50% more-see.

Also, it would depend on efficiency of the burn.  Blue flames are generally much cleaner, as the "yellow" is carbon/pollutants.

How fast does your veg oil burn?  What is the heat output? 

Propane heaters are measured in btu per hour.  So, it is easy to see how efficient a burner is.  I have a stove burner that is 10K btu.  I use it every day, and I go through a 5 gallons propane bottle in about 2 months.  So, that's about .083 gallons per day.

If permaculture values are in the farming process it is way bettter than the oil industry, note the gulf oil disater and many others.

not conventional farming.  Conventional farming is very destructive, and it depends on the oil industry, so they are one in the same.

Permaculture provides alternatives to conventional farming methods.

We have a friend that uses vegetable oil to heat his house using a "Kuma" free standing oil stove.
Though made for kerosene or stove oil, he uses filtered fryer oil he keeps in his garage to keep from gelling it has been trouble free for 5 yrs.

i live in a city and sometimes i use oil lamps similar used in Spain from 16th to 19th century named "candil". They run in any kind of vegetable or animal oil, it gives a bright light( a bit brighter than a regular candle cause it's wick is a bit thicker).  They are very low oil consumption. about 1 litre for 120 hours candle light, but it depends on how thick wick is and how much it come out of the burning zone.
Inuits use mostly seal or any other animal's fat oil lamps (bear, whale caribou etc...) they name it kullik or kudlik, they use it for light, heating and melting ice to get water, dry clothes and some cooking. they also eat the fat, so if hunt is scarce, they had to choose betwin eating or burning fat.
I made a experimental kudlik using chicken fat and it give a lot of light and heat and you can regulate the amount of both pulling out or into the liquid part of the fat  the cotton used as wick so you can play with the height of flame and the lenght of the burning wick. (btw chiken abattoirs pay money to get rid of the fat so by now it's free... lots of free energy going to the dumpster)
Heres some pics of the "candil"








... and here some of the experimental kudlik

Robert Ray wrote: We have a friend that uses vegetable oil to heat his house using a "Kuma" free standing oil stove.
Though made for kerosene or stove oil, he uses filtered fryer oil he keeps in his garage to keep from gelling it has been trouble free for 5 yrs.

Hello there. Newbie to Permies here.

Old thread here ... but, wonder how this stove is performing after several more years ??

Would love to hear about it - is he on Permies ?

Love the radiant stove heat - but - getting tired of dealing with firewood. And smoke bakdraftong in the house, etc, etc ...
Kevin R

Thanks much

Yes the kuma is still running. I'm sure someone has tried it but wonder how a drip tube into a RMH fire box would work.

I have seen drip feed sytems working well, once the heat is up to temperatute. The drip is directed to a flat plate that is hot.