local fruit veg stand. I asked and they are willing to give me(fill my garbage cans with) all of their unsellables. Is there any reason to not use this to build my compost... hugel? and or pick and sow seed.
Just a newbie, trying to jump on a giants shoulders for a second, so fee fi
and I welcome a foe fum
Anyway, I don't see anything wrong with using that stuff for compost. Decaying organic matter is decaying organic matter I guess, right? Only thing is if we're talking decaying fruit here, then you might have problems with fruit fly's seeing it as a wonderful place to raise their larva so if you've already got some compost started, just make sure you put any rotting fruit toward the center of the pile or bin, that way the flies don't get to it and the heat helps it break down faster.
Also, whenever I put any kind of decaying edibles in my compost it get's overrun with ants. I don't know if that's necessarily a bad thing, and it may just be indicative that my compost isn't getting hot enough if ants are comfortable in it.
As for cheap seeds, the only thing I've heard is that seeds that are "old" are often the ones found at discounted prices and old seed can mean low germination percentage (aka a lot of them may not grow), but you might get lucky so I don't see anything wrong with giving it a shot.
Admittedly I'm somewhat of a newbie too though, just repeating what I've heard from more knowledgeable folks so I dunno, I'm sure others around here will have more to say on the matters.
Cheaper seeds can be older seeds with low germination rates. Still, might be worth a try, especially if you are going to start them indoors. I don't think waiting and sowing them directly into your bed would be a good idea if a high percentage of them may not germinate.
Use some coffee filter paper put 10 seeds of one kind in it, label it. Fill a glas with a little bit sand, place the filter paper on top of it and put the glas on a bright place inside. Keep it moist, not wet. Some seeds are dark-germinators, they need a dark place (obviously).
After a couple of days (for some even weeks, like carrots) the seeds will germinate. Then you count how many sprouted and you can calculate the germination percentage.
I would've bought them, too.
as for the seeds..check the dates on them..a lot of seeds are viable for a long time but some are only usable fresh..
for those that are viable for a long time like lettuce, it is a great deal, but for those that aren't, like parsnips..forget it..they'll just be throwing away a quarter
I got rid of that rather weird spam and most of the confusion that followed - turn my back for a moment and the spammers are creating havoc... Oh, and welcome to the board!
Waste. Well we saved it from the dumpster and the land fill. Is there a forum dealing with what chickens/ ducks/quail might want outta this mess? If so I am sure, I can make sure anything worth more than dirt (sorry but lol), gets into the beaks of some birds.
Flies/ Larvae, bury it deep. Funny you should say that, I was thinking somewhere between the wood and the leaves in a HugelK bed. (My Deutsch Frau asked me... "Hill culture?" I said, "ohhhhhhh, Yeah!" Am I correct in thinking I can use this in such a manner? Whatever, I cant keep up with though, I will try to bury deep in the compost.
Most of my novice steps here are based on hours of reading watching and learning from all of you. I am sure that few here have read or watched THE sepp holzer without being inspired. (Surprise: I am not rich *monetarily) But when I watch him reach in his bucket! Then I look over at the $20 bag of 80 packets of seeds. Then I finish dissecting my Carrots love Tomatoes and begin sprinkling families of seeds over the HK beds...
The main thing I am growing... hopefully... is knowledge and ability. for my must have/ love to eats, I will probably still resort to old, time tested work and reputable seed, but every experiment needs a control.
New Questions/ concerns. My gardens get no junk that I can avoid. No GMO, Pesticides, chemicals. Is there reason to have concern from this "more commercially grown" fruit and vegetable matter may introduce bad things to my good environment... OR dont be silly?
I am zone 5, many of the fruits/ veg seem to be coming from more tropical areas (mango for ex.). Is there anything to suggest this would be a no no in the compo?
OK I think i have asked enough for now. Many thanks again to all.
I doesn't hurt to pay less for something. If you can negotiate a better deal with someone, do it! My local nursery owner knows me when I walk though the door. He takes me right over to all the spent pots from Easter lillies, tulips, daffodils, crocus, etc that didn't sell and we haggle over the price. I buy a 100 - 150 pots for up to $1 each (I save money to splurge) and end up with 500 - 1000 bulbs to plant (they put 5 - 10 bulbs in each pot). Not, to mention I get bunches of top quality potting soil (custom blended from a great local manufacturer) to boot! I take all the pots and plant markers back to the nursery after I plant.
I do the same thing in the fall with any lingering perennial crops he wants to clear from the greenhouse. Last year, I swipped-up 125 quarter cell packs of everbearing strawberries! I covered my new hugelkultur in them. I can't wait to see how they're going to produce this year.
I, also, pay him $10 (for his time and diesel fuel) and he loads my 10 yard dump trailer with his waste for my compost pile. I pick through the pile as I mix my compost to rescue any good perennials ( 85 mums and 20 lovely ivy, last fall) and the rest goes to the microbes.
I'm still busy designing my gardens. So any cost savings are, really, appreciated and needed.
Mustang Breeze wrote:
I take all the pots and plant markers back to the nursery after I plant.
I keep my pots, wash them in a solution of water and simple green, even let them soak over night and reuse them down the road for my seedlings. Very economical way to get the pots I need for future seedling growing.
Kathleen Sanderson wrote:
If the 'waste' food is going to grow maggots and such, you might let it do so and THEN let the chickens scratch around in it -- they'll get more protein and fat from the bugs than from the fruit.
Aha! Awesome Kathleen, I'm still slowly wrapping my brain around the permaculture thought process of thinking of problems as solutions to other problems wherever possible, so thank you for reminding me.
I'm no purist: as far as I'm concerned, if you can remove it from the wastes-tream and create a garden from it for free, it's all good by me!
Apparently hot composting transforms many ag chemicals into inert, long-chain molecules. Something something.
We ostensibly don't have GMOs here so can't comment.
PS What is GMO? Turns out I am a functional illiterate
My thoughts are to use the VEG/Fruit in between the big log layer and the top soil layer with the smaller branches, spoiling hay, forest floor leaves and compost.
According to Plantation website, "Q: Are your seeds genetically altered in any way? A: You can be assured that none of the varieties we sell are genetically enhanced through biotechnology"
I have noticed that they offer hybrid tom and cuke, but most of the others make no reference.
thanks again everyone
SO.... I just got my first canful! Average size can, 1/6 pinapple (guessing that of all things this will be harder to breakdown) 1/4 was seedables! Tomatoes, plums, peach, cukes, peppers, strawberries (?), the rest was oranges and leafs and brocs...
Now, I am wondering which of the seedables would just do their own work if I just toss them in some sunny spots. Or, should I definitely go the slurry route which sounds very effective?
Thanks to all and always!
I will try composting citrus again, generally if my compost isn't hot I recycle them or not separately ! For the Craft Future Big AL
Here is a site that rates all seed and plant sellers; this is their rating on your seeds:
it reads about 50 / 50, and, the negs are fairly bad
of my summer squashes none so far..0
so hey if you get plants from your 25 c apiece packets you are doing better than these expensive ones !
if it is edible it is likely to be fine for your compost pile and super ripe veggies if they aren't hybrids might give you some seeds as well
also ask neighbors and friends for starts, cuttings, etc ..you can take a cutting off of a tomato plant for example, and grow it on.