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Get into large scale food forest for under $500

 
Jeff Hodgins
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Ok, so heres the Idea you can lease land for a contract maximum of 30 years in mexico. I already have a small opperation and am looking to expand.
What I'm offering is to sub-let land and manage it for others. You can become a producer of sustainable agricultural products without ever leaving home.
  The reasons why I want to do this are because I can only do so much on my own and I want to help others to do more to change the world for the better.

The lease will be recognized by local athorities some expenditures may be deducted from the profit others will be up front. You are responsable for your own taxes.
I hope this offer is acceptable to site adminestrators, if not I'm sure they'll remove it
 
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Dang, I was hoping this thread was about how to get all those food-bearing plants for a large scale food forest for under $500! 

I guess if you started from seed, and had a long time to grow them out, you could do it.
 
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Some forest products don't take so long. Many perrenials start to pay off in 2 years. especialy in the sub-tropics
 
Emerson White
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Your prospectus leaves a little to be desired in the detail department there.

Stop me if I'm wrong, but it sounds like you are looking for investors to give you 500 dollars per share in a permaculture food sharing program on leased land in Mexico, where there is a 30 year legal maximum on lease length. You already have some land under cultivation but want to expand. Is that correct?

If it is there are some other things people might want to know before they invest.
*How much total capital do you need for this expansion to take place?
*How long have you been going where you are?
*What can someone how to see by way of returns on their capital?
*What kind of returns have you been seeing off your current property?
*What region of mexico are you in?
*What types of plants are you growing?
*What is the market value of these crops?
*What yield do you expect to get per acre?
*How many acres do you have currently and how many will be included in the expansion?
*How many hours a day do you spend on your current acreage?
*Will expansion require hired labor? If so what will their relative effectiveness compared to yours be, and how much would they cost?
*You have mentioned Canadian ambitions, is an investor assured of any level of oversight should you leave for Canada?
*Is this a loan or a percentage of equity? What percentage of the equity will you be holding and how much capital will you be investing in the expansion? When can the investors expect a 100% ROI? Will your incentives change after that has been reached?
*Will the expansion be run as a separate entity from the current project?
*Do you have an accountant? How much do they cost?

Eh, that's probably enough from me for now.
 
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Emerson White wrote:
Your prospectus leaves a little to be desired in the detail department there.

Stop me if I'm wrong, but it sounds like you are looking for investors to give you 500 dollars per share in a permaculture food sharing program on leased land in Mexico, where there is a 30 year legal maximum on lease length. You already have some land under cultivation but want to expand. Is that correct?

If it is there are some other things people might want to know before they invest.
*How much total capital do you need for this expansion to take place?
*How long have you been going where you are?
*What can someone how to see by way of returns on their capital?
*What kind of returns have you been seeing off your current property?
*What region of mexico are you in?
*What types of plants are you growing?
*What is the market value of these crops?
*What yield do you expect to get per acre?
*How many acres do you have currently and how many will be included in the expansion?
*How many hours a day do you spend on your current acreage?
*Will expansion require hired labor? If so what will their relative effectiveness compared to yours be, and how much would they cost?
*You have mentioned Canadian ambitions, is an investor assured of any level of oversight should you leave for Canada?
*Is this a loan or a percentage of equity? What percentage of the equity will you be holding and how much capital will you be investing in the expansion? When can the investors expect a 100% ROI? Will your incentives change after that has been reached?
*Will the expansion be run as a separate entity from the current project?
*Do you have an accountant? How much do they cost?

Eh, that's probably enough from me for now.

I have a thirty year lease on 13 acers and I wish to sublet about 5 acers for any length of time for about $700 dollars per year with limitted logging rights. I am willing to manage it or not if your interested I'm sure we can bang out a deal.
I am comitted to managing my food forests in Mexico. I also hire workers. There's no food share program I sell all food locally so far but will start sending it to larger population centers eventually. I don't realy need to lease the land but I don't have the resources to plant all of it the way I would like to, so what the hey. Realy I want to slow my expansion, let someone else give it a go, and maybe help them out with it a bit or alot. I've been farming in Puebla for 4 years but the land I want to lease is in the state of Yucatan. I recently aquired this property. I have a friend who cares for it when I'm not there. My returns as a corn and beans farmer are low but the perennials are up and comming. For third year dragon fruit monoculture you can count on $80000 gross/ha or 5-6 tons. I expect to get more as I have diversified my crops. "What kinds of plants are you growing" Um biodiversified agroforestry plants (read my links if you want more info on what I grow). I have biodiversified agroforestry gardens in tropical, subtropical alpine, and temperate climates(I'm also dirt poor if you must know).
"How many hours a day do you spend on your current acreage?"
Some times all hours sometimes none you know like farmers do.
"Will expansion require hired labor? If so what will their relative effectiveness compared to yours be, and how much would they cost?"
Yes. d#@% all but they can learn. $12/day. In that order
"Is this a loan or a percentage of equity?" No and no
"Will the expansion be run as a separate entity from the current project?" Yes.
"o you have an accountant?" No
"Eh, that's probably enough from me for now."
And yes I'd say thats enough from you for now eh. I don't think your realy interested at all but we can still be pals right Emerson?
So back to the point does anyone want to lease some young forest in the tropics 3h from Cancun, and maybe get some help with it or not or what ever.
 
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I'm not interested, I was just proposing some things that interested parties should want to know. Mexico is way to hot for me, I want nothing south of cascadia.
 
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Lovely region.  You said 3 hr from Cancún.  How far from Mérida?  Maybe some Lat/Long, or something we can plug into Google Maps.  Last time I was in the region was before any of the tourist development.  I would imagine that that industry could provide a good market for some specialty crops (I have some ideas that would do GREAT in the climate).  When I was in the region, Mérida was the ONLY airport (I flew to/from Habana).  Now, I understand Cancún airport handles about 10 million passengers per year!
 
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Its near Merida boardering Campeche I'd rather not talk about exact details of location on such a public fourm. I should have said $500/year for 5 acers.
 
                                
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Emerson White wrote:
Your prospectus leaves a little to be desired in the detail department there.

Stop me if I'm wrong, but it sounds like you are looking for investors to give you 500 dollars per share in a permaculture food sharing program on leased land in Mexico, where there is a 30 year legal maximum on lease length. You already have some land under cultivation but want to expand. Is that correct?

If it is there are some other things people might want to know before they invest.
*How much total capital do you need for this expansion to take place?
*How long have you been going where you are?
*What can someone how to see by way of returns on their capital?
*What kind of returns have you been seeing off your current property?
*What region of mexico are you in?
*What types of plants are you growing?
*What is the market value of these crops?
*What yield do you expect to get per acre?
*How many acres do you have currently and how many will be included in the expansion?
*How many hours a day do you spend on your current acreage?
*Will expansion require hired labor? If so what will their relative effectiveness compared to yours be, and how much would they cost?
*You have mentioned Canadian ambitions, is an investor assured of any level of oversight should you leave for Canada?
*Is this a loan or a percentage of equity? What percentage of the equity will you be holding and how much capital will you be investing in the expansion? When can the investors expect a 100% ROI? Will your incentives change after that has been reached?
*Will the expansion be run as a separate entity from the current project?
*Do you have an accountant? How much do they cost?

Eh, that's probably enough from me for now.


Where did such mistrust and intense capitalism and profiteering come from? We are on a permaculture forum. Is what we are trying to do here based only on profit margins and returns? Granted, the op may have not presented his plan  clearly in the first post and is a little secretive, but you focus on return, profit, accounting and legalese seams to be counter to the ideas of permaculture and "shared living"
 
Emerson White
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I'm not a mistrustful person, I just believe in being thorough. The OP was talking about an investment opportunity so I jotted down a few things that any person should keep in mind before they make an investment. It is important that your venture can cashflow, pay for its self, and be something that benefits you rather than something that withers to nothing; or if it is a charity you should know that going in. It's all about informed consent, not about making money, though I am an ardent capitalist, but that's a discussion for the meaningless drivel forum or private messages.
 
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      I always wonder on a permaculture forum if people put out real projects or made up projects that might inspire others. If it is a made up project then emerson white allows people to flesh out any idea for greening up the planet in this way. Is Emerson White mistrustfull or just a person who likes to throw himself into the fray, never happier than in the thick of things. agri rose macaskie.
 
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What does the investor get out of it. agri rose macaskie.
 
Abe Connally
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I am also in Mexico, but in a very different climate, near Copper Canyon, in the northwest of Mexico.

I own 10 acres here, and I could easily purchase more, if I had the money, but land runs $200/acre here for oak/juniper savanna.

So, if anyone wants pool some money and purchase a decent piece of property, then we could democratically run the property.

It's just an idea....  We have plenty of local/cheap labor ($15/day), and plenty of resources.

PM me if you are serious...
 
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Alternatively, for my area, a better option would be funding for permaculture training and infrastructure. The 2 main local industries are apples and cattle.  The 2 biggest resources for local would be rotational grazing and forest gardens.  They already practice 2 or 3 tiered orchards.

The problems I have encountered is that locals learn by example, not from instruction, and change is difficult because of lack of funds for capital investments.

We have made a lot of headway with our property as being an example of what can be done.  With rain catchment, solar power, solar water heating, and alternative food production being the most successful examples.

Most folks are open to ideas, but they want to see them work before they try, and our homestead has been a great example of what can be possible.

Anyway, just another idea....
 
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H Ludi Tyler wrote:
Dang, I was hoping this thread was about how to get all those food-bearing plants for a large scale food forest for under $500!   

I guess if you started from seed, and had a long time to grow them out, you could do it.


It just takes time. You don't necessarily have to start from seed, and with some varieties of fruit trees/bushes/vines it is inadvisable to do so due to high rates of genetic drift from the parent plant. Apples and grapes are two varieties that often won't breed true from seed.

You can build a propagation box for $5 worth of lumber, some window screen and a used aquarium from a thrift store. If you pay more than $5 for the aquarium, you're being robbed. This will enable you to root softwood and hardwood cuttings.

For a little more, you can buy rootstock and graft onto it. I wouldn't bother unless you are dealing with a species that is difficult to propagate by cutting.
 
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$200 an acer sounds good but we're talking about high alt. desert with steep slopes right?
Not that there's anything wrong with that, you've got me interested and I already have more land than I need.
 
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not steep slopes, and it isn't really desert.  We average 25-30 inches of rain a year at 6200 ft elevation.  Most folks have apple, peach, pear, and apricot orchards.

We're near Chihuahua city, about 100 miles west/south west
 
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LasVegasLee wrote:
... it is inadvisable to do so due to high rates of genetic drift from the parent plant. Apples and grapes are two varieties that often won't breed true from seed...


I'm going to put on my biology pedant cape and shame you here. That's not genetic drift, you are talking about prototypic variability, genetic drift is a statistical effect that happens on the population level.
 
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Emerson White wrote:
I'm going to put on my biology pedant cape and shame you here. That's not genetic drift, you are talking about prototypic variability, genetic drift is a statistical effect that happens on the population level.


Thanks for the correction!
 
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