Help to kick starting natural farm in Slovenia

Hello!

My name is Uroš Jarc and I'm from Slovenia. I joust inherited abandoned field in which was previously planted vineyard. I have read the book The One-Straw Revolution by Masanobu Fukuoka and was heavely inspired by the methods of natural farming.

I don't have any farming knowledge but I would like to start as soon as possible with natural farming on the fields.

Im quite scared because here we have quite strong winters which are not described in any Fukuoka books that I have read... Since he is from japan he does not have to deal with winters. Another problem is steep incline which face east. Anyhow I have around 80 types of plants seeds that exists in my country and now I'm eager to start sowing the land with seed balls.

I really need some kinda plan to kick start my small farm, can you guys please help me with creating some kind a schedule so that it would yield best results on my farm. It would be really helpful if you could joust describe your yearly schedule to learm from yours experience. Any suggestion is more than welcome.

I have learned a lot from this thread: https://permies.com/mobile/t/26269/Fukuoka-Michigan-Winters

Farm location: 45°50'05.2"N 15°03'48.8"E ( https://maps.google.com/?q=45.834785,15.063565 )

And here are videos/photos of my farm: https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=1RAczNQoK7fRNmA-_dedkvx0NrBDO68aK

It looks like you are in zone 7b, with even distribution of rain throughout the year.

My recommendations would be:
1) Earthworks (Swales or Terrace or Berms, etc)
2) Carbon (straw, hay, biochar, woodchip, Animal Litter, Compost)
3) Soil Life (Mushroom Slurries, Worm Tea, Composting worms, mushroom, Animal Litter, Compost)
4) Nitrogen Fixers (about 80% of the ground cover should be nitrogen fixers e.g. Fava Beans, Dutch Clover, Alfalfa, etc)
5) Other Seeds/cover crop (mint/thyme family, carrot/dill family, onion/garlic family, wheat/oats/grass family)
6) Fruit Trees esp Fall Planted Bare-Roots.


7) Spring Planted 3ft wide Garden Rows of Produce to sell at the market
You can grow and sell
Herbs in the onion or dill or mint/thyme family
Mushroom Oyster & Wine Cap, but others are very doable
Vegetables Cabbage/Kale family, Spinach/Chard family, Lettuce/Dandelion family.
Potatoes/Tomatoes family, Squash/Melon family, Starchy Storage root crops.

8) Spring BeeHive

Hi Uroš,

greetings from another part of Slovenia

What are your goals for your land?

How large is it?

Do you live there (or very close to it)?

Is this something you do to enrich your life or should it evolve as a business?

Will it be only you working the land or are there other people?

Do you have a local water source?

Hello,

I’m looking for a group of people that are into organic farming/permaculture in Slovenia. Does this even exist or is the country too small?

I’m looking to relocate and this is what I want to be a part of.

Thanks.

S

Here's an acquaintance of mine who does permacultur-y stuff for a living as I understand it, or at least he used to when I last checked - https://www.facebook.com/nebavec/

Here's the Permaculture society of Slovenia - https://permakultura.si/

You'll find that in the countryside, the traditional ways of doing things in general also have a permaculture note... Once you get past the tractor - wheat - corn trinity that represents the entire universe to some people.

If you're visiting Slovenia to look around and need a local contact, let me know.

Hello,

I’m in Slovenia now looking around for property. So far the ptuj area and to the East looks nice. I could use a local contact. Thanks.

Well, this is a bit sudden :)

We have a piece of land in the "far East" of Slovenia (near Murska Sobota) and I'll be there during next week.

Your location looks good. Is it nice in your area? Have you made any progress?

Uroš Jarc wrote:Hello!

My name is Uroš Jarc and I'm from Slovenia. I joust inherited abandoned field in which was previously planted vineyard. I have read the book The One-Straw Revolution by Masanobu Fukuoka and was heavely inspired by the methods of natural farming.

I don't have any farming knowledge but I would like to start as soon as possible with natural farming on the fields.

Im quite scared because here we have quite strong winters which are not described in any Fukuoka books that I have read... Since he is from japan he does not have to deal with winters. Another problem is steep incline which face east. Anyhow I have around 80 types of plants seeds that exists in my country and now I'm eager to start sowing the land with seed balls.

I really need some kinda plan to kick start my small farm, can you guys please help me with creating some kind a schedule so that it would yield best results on my farm. It would be really helpful if you could joust describe your yearly schedule to learm from yours experience. Any suggestion is more than welcome.

I have learned a lot from this thread: https://permies.com/mobile/t/26269/Fukuoka-Michigan-Winters

Farm location: 45°50'05.2"N 15°03'48.8"E ( https://maps.google.com/?q=45.834785,15.063565 )

And here are videos/photos of my farm: https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=1RAczNQoK7fRNmA-_dedkvx0NrBDO68aK

This guy: https://nepremicninesv.si/ ... is a real estate agent who has been specializing in the north-eastern area for ages. He's worth contacting.

The area from Ptuj to the river Mura is called Slovenske gorice and is sparsely populated with an above average number of nice chunks of land for sale (for Slovenia), usually deserted farmsteads - people died and those who inherited are not interested.

The same goes for Prekmurje - from the river Mura to the very NE tip of the country - and especially for Goricko the hilly part of Prekmurje, only even more so.

The other especially "deserted" areas of Slovenia are Bela Krajina and Kozjansko (the very SE part of the country around Metlika, Crnomelj etc) and Kozjansko (east from Celje, south of Sentjur, towards the river Sotla).

The country is small enough that all these forgotten parts are well-connected in the traffic sense, especially for a person used to a larger country. Paved roads everywhere. Quite some local development (Murska Sobota, a city of 15.000 people, is considered a regional hub and has a hospital).

Try also the main real-estate search engine nepremicnine.net , for example with this predefined search:

https://www.nepremicnine.net/oglasi-prodaja/podravska/posest/kmetija/velikost-od-5000-m2/

(For sale, region Podravska = wide area around Ptuj, type Farm, size 5.000+ m2)

and

https://www.nepremicnine.net/oglasi-prodaja/pomurska/posest/kmetija/velikost-od-5000-m2/

(Same thing but more to the NE,  centered on the river Mura instead of Drava)

I have to say however that at the moment the pool of land for sale looks rather dried out... Generally we're on the high side of the real estate price cycle and it looks like we're actually in its advanced "what's still cheap, grab it quickly before somebody else does" phase.

If you're willing to look at more hilly areas (possibly tricky in the winter bcs of ice) there should still be solid pieces of land for sale - less obvious targets.

Here's the same kind of search again but without regional restrictions: https://www.nepremicnine.net/oglasi-prodaja/posest/kmetija/velikost-od-5000-m2/ - a good number of hits.

This one definitely has commercial interest because you'll rarely get such acreage so near the capital Ljubljana at this price (high compared to the East but great for the central region) -

https://www.nepremicnine.net/oglasi-prodaja/jance-posest_6047733/

It must be said that Jance takes being on a hill very seriously. It's a nice cycling destination. The area is known for its fruit, especially apples and strawberries. If I had a spare 170 K EUR at the moment this would be worth a look for sure.

I’ll check out your suggestions. Thanks for the info.

Crt Jakhel wrote:This one definitely has commercial interest because you'll rarely get such acreage so near the capital Ljubljana at this price (high compared to the East but great for the central region) -

https://www.nepremicnine.net/oglasi-prodaja/jance-posest_6047733/

It must be said that Jance takes being on a hill very seriously. It's a nice cycling destination. The area is known for its fruit, especially apples and strawberries. If I had a spare 170 K EUR at the moment this would be worth a look for sure.

Are you building something? Or renovating something?

Crt Jakhel wrote:Well, this is a bit sudden :)

We have a piece of land in the "far East" of Slovenia (near Murska Sobota) and I'll be there during next week.

We bought a deserted homestead on a bit over 2 acres 10 years ago and have been slowly developing it.

There  is a really old house (wood and lime plaster) which is untouchable because of its cultural heritage status (currently serving as a warehouse). We were able to tear down the stables and build there, also in the "traditional style" visually.

The old orchard was largely destroyed by a freak storm in 2008 (an unheard-of event, we'll see what the future brings) and by now all the various trees and bushes we've planted have come into bearing age. Things are going well.

It's a hobby farm, mostly fruit, the only farm animals are bees since we're not there full time - we're dividing our time between Ljubljana and Murska Sobota (200 km). Thankfully my job as a developer is fully portable so I spend most of the warm part of the year at the farm. This matches the bees' annual cycle so it's all good.

Any photos of this old lime plaster house?

Do you know of anything for rent for 6-12 months?

Crt Jakhel wrote:We bought a deserted homestead on a bit over 2 acres 10 years ago and have been slowly developing it.

There  is a really old house (wood and lime plaster) which is untouchable because of its cultural heritage status (currently serving as a warehouse). We were able to tear down the stables and build there, also in the "traditional style" visually.

The old orchard was largely destroyed by a freak storm in 2008 (an unheard-of event, we'll see what the future brings) and by now all the various trees and bushes we've planted have come into bearing age. Things are going well.

It's a hobby farm, mostly fruit, the only farm animals are bees since we're not there full time - we're dividing our time between Ljubljana and Murska Sobota (200 km). Thankfully my job as a developer is fully portable so I spend most of the warm part of the year at the farm. This matches the bees' annual cycle so it's all good.

Sorry, I don't know personally of an offer right now but again if you check nepremicnine.net there should be offers to rent out.

Are you looking for a flat or a house? What part of the country?

Here are some pics - I'm more into plants than houses really.

Those are some awesome flowers Crt!

Those flowers look good! Let’s see more plant photos :)

I’m looking for a house preferably. I’m flexible on location. But it would be preferential to find a rental where I might end up buying a property. Right now I’m focused on the East part of the country.  

Crt Jakhel wrote:
Sorry, I don't know personally of an offer right now but again if you check nepremicnine.net there should be offers to rent out.

Are you looking for a flat or a house? What part of the country?

Here are some pics - I'm more into plants than houses really.

Yeah, I gotta get those pics organized one day... Been meaning to for 10 years or so

While renting with the option of buying is definitely the best from the buyer's perspective - it's basically "try before you buy" - it is not usually something that the seller would advertise.

But it could work - I guess with the provision that a) you have to keep everything tidy in case other interested parties show up and want to view the property, and b) if there is an immediate buyer you have to match the offer or leave.

This leaves you in the position of browsing the ads and then asking the seller whether they would be open to such an arrangement.

In the countryside foreign languages can be a problem. Possibly I could help you with that once you have a definite set of candidates.

With that in mind, take a look at this beauty...

https://www.nepremicnine.net/oglasi-prodaja/zilje-posest_6261696/

SE edge of the country - Bela Krajina; the nearest town is Vinica.

200.000 m2 of which 4.000 fields, 4.900 meadows, 13.800 orchards, all of that with the Demeter ecological cultivation certificate. The rest is woodland. A house + business premises (production & warehouse) + a barn. For 130 K EUR this looks glorious at first glance. If you can come to an arrangement with the seller as described above I think you could spend an enjoyable 2020 in Slovenia.

Since this seems to have been run as a business...

https://www.biokor.si/ (plant-based beauty products, herbal teas, dried fruit; published business records show a small mom-and-pop size company that is not really growing but also has no problem surviving - so somebody was simply making a living)

... there is also an increased likelihood that language would not be a problem.

I would be curious why they are selling it. Looks like a family business. Whoever buys it really has to know the stuff like biodynamic farming.

Crt Jakhel wrote:Yeah, I gotta get those pics organized one day... Been meaning to for 10 years or so

While renting with the option of buying is definitely the best from the buyer's perspective - it's basically "try before you buy" - it is not usually something that the seller would advertise.

But it could work - I guess with the provision that a) you have to keep everything tidy in case other interested parties show up and want to view the property, and b) if there is an immediate buyer you have to match the offer or leave.

This leaves you in the position of browsing the ads and then asking the seller whether they would be open to such an arrangement.

In the countryside foreign languages can be a problem. Possibly I could help you with that once you have a definite set of candidates.

With that in mind, take a look at this beauty...

https://www.nepremicnine.net/oglasi-prodaja/zilje-posest_6261696/

SE edge of the country - Bela Krajina; the nearest town is Vinica.

200.000 m2 of which 4.000 fields, 4.900 meadows, 13.800 orchards, all of that with the Demeter ecological cultivation certificate. The rest is woodland. A house + business premises (production & warehouse) + a barn. For 130 K EUR this looks glorious at first glance. If you can come to an arrangement with the seller as described above I think you could spend an enjoyable 2020 in Slovenia.

Since this seems to have been run as a business...

https://www.biokor.si/ (plant-based beauty products, herbal teas, dried fruit; published business records show a small mom-and-pop size company that is not really growing but also has no problem surviving - so somebody was simply making a living)

... there is also an increased likelihood that language would not be a problem.

Since the company seems in an OK shape I would say that maybe the people - it looks like two ladies are running it all - simply got old and lost the capacity for all the work needed.

If you are seriously interested I can call and find out more if they'll be willing to talk about it.

I'm drooling a bit looking at this offer... But we already set down roots in Prekmurje and I'm not so very young myself anymore.

It seems like too much work. I’m trying to keep it focused on building a 50 sqm rectangular straw bale house and 10-20 ars for organic farming. An extra 30-60 ars would be good for landscaping and planting trees, bushes and flowers.

Crt Jakhel wrote:Since the company seems in an OK shape I would say that maybe the people - it looks like two ladies are running it all - simply got old and lost the capacity for all the work needed.

If you are seriously interested I can call and find out more if they'll be willing to talk about it.

I'm drooling a bit looking at this offer... But we already set down roots in Prekmurje and I'm not so very young myself anymore.

There is this guy, Kristjan Zver, who does hay bale building ... Unfortunately it seems he doesn't do it as a business anymore so it's hard to get a contact.

Here is a network of people where he also appears

http://zavodbig.com/portfolio-items/kristjan-zver/

So maybe if you use their contact at the bottom of the page they could possibly connect you to him.

The point here is that not only does he do hay bale building but also seems to be based in Prekmurje where there really should be plenty of small estates of your desired size for sale. So I think it would be worth your while to try and establish a contact.


... after some googling...

This USED TO work:

Kristijan Zver s.p.. Naravna gradnja [his company was closed later on though and I don't know whether he also lives at this address]
Čikečka vas 39
9207 Prosenjakovci [in Prekmurje]

email: info@naravnagradnja.com [domain is not active anymore today]

phone: 386 (0)51 611 277 [possibly still alive, it's a mobile number]

It seems Prekmurje is where the mud houses and I guess straw building is. I actually haven’t been to that town yet. Maybe I’ll take a drive there today and check it out.

I emailed the site. Thanks.

Crt Jakhel wrote:There is this guy, Kristjan Zver, who does hay bale building ... Unfortunately it seems he doesn't do it as a business anymore so it's hard to get a contact.

Here is a network of people where he also appears

http://zavodbig.com/portfolio-items/kristjan-zver/

So maybe if you use their contact at the bottom of the page they could possibly connect you to him.

The point here is that not only does he do hay bale building but also seems to be based in Prekmurje where there really should be plenty of small estates of your desired size for sale. So I think it would be worth your while to try and establish a contact.


... after some googling...

This USED TO work:

Kristijan Zver s.p.. Naravna gradnja [his company was closed later on though and I don't know whether he also lives at this address]
Čikečka vas 39
9207 Prosenjakovci [in Prekmurje]

email: info@naravnagradnja.com [domain is not active anymore today]

phone: 386 (0)51 611 277 [possibly still alive, it's a mobile number]

Here are some examples of old houses that you could tear down and rebuild with bales, and with some land, at very friendly prices:

https://www.nepremicnine.net/oglasi-prodaja/strehovci-posest_6282375/ (2600 m2)

https://www.nepremicnine.net/oglasi-prodaja/filovci-posest_6183883/ (1200 m2)

https://www.nepremicnine.net/oglasi-prodaja/vaneca-posest_6250858/ (2000 m2)

As mentioned before I'll be in Prekmurje next week for a week or so - but don't know yet when during the week I'll be arriving, so maybe we can get in touch at that time (you're welcome to visit provided you don't have a problem with large dogs) and see whether there is something else I can help with.

The first ad seems especially well located.

The problem with these is they are in the village with direct neighbors.  I’m looking for more space, next to or surrounded by the forest. No direct neighbors. 500-1000+ meters away is ok.

Crt Jakhel wrote:Here are some examples of old houses that you could tear down and rebuild with bales, and with some land, at very friendly prices:

https://www.nepremicnine.net/oglasi-prodaja/strehovci-posest_6282375/ (2600 m2)

https://www.nepremicnine.net/oglasi-prodaja/filovci-posest_6183883/ (1200 m2)

https://www.nepremicnine.net/oglasi-prodaja/vaneca-posest_6250858/ (2000 m2)

As mentioned before I'll be in Prekmurje next week for a week or so - but don't know yet when during the week I'll be arriving, so maybe we can get in touch at that time (you're welcome to visit provided you don't have a problem with large dogs) and see whether there is something else I can help with.

The first ad seems especially well located.

Something in the hills would be good if it’s not a big sloping land.

Stephen Nakar wrote:The problem with these is they are in the village with direct neighbors.  I’m looking for more space, next to or surrounded by the forest. No direct neighbors. 500-1000+ meters away is ok.

Crt Jakhel wrote:Here are some examples of old houses that you could tear down and rebuild with bales, and with some land, at very friendly prices:

https://www.nepremicnine.net/oglasi-prodaja/strehovci-posest_6282375/ (2600 m2)

https://www.nepremicnine.net/oglasi-prodaja/filovci-posest_6183883/ (1200 m2)

https://www.nepremicnine.net/oglasi-prodaja/vaneca-posest_6250858/ (2000 m2)

As mentioned before I'll be in Prekmurje next week for a week or so - but don't know yet when during the week I'll be arriving, so maybe we can get in touch at that time (you're welcome to visit provided you don't have a problem with large dogs) and see whether there is something else I can help with.

The first ad seems especially well located.

Interesting that the town owns this first property. Only 2613 sqm. So small for an agri property. Most likely the town wants to keep the agri land that was associated with this property.

Stephen Nakar wrote:Something in the hills would be good if it’s not a big sloping land.

Stephen Nakar wrote:The problem with these is they are in the village with direct neighbors.  I’m looking for more space, next to or surrounded by the forest. No direct neighbors. 500-1000+ meters away is ok.

Crt Jakhel wrote:Here are some examples of old houses that you could tear down and rebuild with bales, and with some land, at very friendly prices:

https://www.nepremicnine.net/oglasi-prodaja/strehovci-posest_6282375/ (2600 m2)

https://www.nepremicnine.net/oglasi-prodaja/filovci-posest_6183883/ (1200 m2)

https://www.nepremicnine.net/oglasi-prodaja/vaneca-posest_6250858/ (2000 m2)

As mentioned before I'll be in Prekmurje next week for a week or so - but don't know yet when during the week I'll be arriving, so maybe we can get in touch at that time (you're welcome to visit provided you don't have a problem with large dogs) and see whether there is something else I can help with.

The first ad seems especially well located.

The municipality became the owner by the deceased's will it seems.

The part about agricultural land is that in Slovenia, there is an order of priorities when there are different buyers interested in a piece of land:

- state organs
- immediate neighbors
- other persons who are active in agriculture
- everybody else

When agricultural land is about to be sold, a public notice is put up notifying about the offer so that anybody in the above chain of priorities can contribute their voice.

The expiration period for the notice is 1 month and if there are no special-status buyers during that time, anybody is free to buy the land.

Most likely a neighbor got it then. But it’s kind of not too smart. Now the leftover buildable piece has much less value if any value at all. All those outbuildings are to service a working farm.

Crt Jakhel wrote:The municipality became the owner by the deceased's will it seems.

The part about agricultural land is that in Slovenia, there is an order of priorities when there are different buyers interested in a piece of land:

- state organs
- immediate neighbors
- other persons who are active in agriculture
- everybody else

When agricultural land is about to be sold, a public notice is put up notifying about the offer so that anybody in the above chain of priorities can contribute their voice.

The expiration period for the notice is 1 month and if there are no special-status buyers during that time, anybody is free to buy the land.

Which part of this area can I look at that has land in the hills or next to a forest with low density of neighbors? Thanks.

Crt Jakhel wrote:Here are some examples of old houses that you could tear down and rebuild with bales, and with some land, at very friendly prices:

https://www.nepremicnine.net/oglasi-prodaja/strehovci-posest_6282375/ (2600 m2)

https://www.nepremicnine.net/oglasi-prodaja/filovci-posest_6183883/ (1200 m2)

https://www.nepremicnine.net/oglasi-prodaja/vaneca-posest_6250858/ (2000 m2)

As mentioned before I'll be in Prekmurje next week for a week or so - but don't know yet when during the week I'll be arriving, so maybe we can get in touch at that time (you're welcome to visit provided you don't have a problem with large dogs) and see whether there is something else I can help with.

The first ad seems especially well located.

The usual approach is for the interested buyer to talk to the seller and arrange to split the price in such a way that for example the land is valued more highly than the house (but the sum total is as the seller intended it in the first place).

As a consequence nobody else will be interested in the land part at that price and the sale to the intended buyer can happen.

The part of Prekmurje with low hills and low population density is called Goričko so you can use that keyword when searching for offers on the net.

https://www.nepremicnine.net/nepremicnine.html?q=gori%C4%8Dko

https://www.gohome.si/nepremicnine.aspx?q=nepremi%C4%8Dnine%20GORI%C4%8CKO

If you accept super steep low hills, but still in the eastern part of Slovenia, then the keyword you want is Haloze or Bizeljsko.

Is that to lower the tax consequences during the transaction?

Crt Jakhel wrote:The usual approach is for the interested buyer to talk to the seller and arrange to split the price in such a way that for example the land is valued more highly than the house (but the sum total is as the seller intended it in the first place).

As a consequence nobody else will be interested in the land part at that price and the sale to the intended buyer can happen.

No, the point is to drive up the value of agricultural land so high that nobody else who would want it to enlarge their own agri land would buy it.

For example:

50.000 EUR = actually 40.000 for the house and 10.000 for the land just looking at what would be normal.

But you talk to the seller and separate that into 20.000 for the house (no notice required; a house does not represent agricultural land technically) and 30.000 for the land (notice required but it's horribly expensive so nobody else is interested).

This is somewhat interesting. But strange shape. Looks like nice area.

https://www.nepremicnine.net/oglasi-prodaja/fokovci-posest_6307717/

Crt Jakhel wrote:The part of Prekmurje with low hills and low population density is called Goričko so you can use that keyword when searching for offers on the net.

https://www.nepremicnine.net/nepremicnine.html?q=gori%C4%8Dko

https://www.gohome.si/nepremicnine.aspx?q=nepremi%C4%8Dnine%20GORI%C4%8CKO

If you accept super steep low hills, but still in the eastern part of Slovenia, then the keyword you want is Haloze or Bizeljsko.

If you check the seller's agent in the ad -- you'll see that it's the Nepremicnine SV guy that I've mentioned originally in this thread.

I very much suggest you contact him and present your wishes ... He's been around for a long time and knows the area well, I'm sure he can come up with good candidates for you.

Yes, that's a nice part of Goričko.

Note that if you're just buying land - only the land, no old house on it - then you need to jump through many legal and procedural hoops from zero to a finished house that you are legally allowed to live in. Buying an old house that already has electricity, water, sewage and a house number makes things easier.

I contacted him. Let’s see what he comes up with. Thanks.

Crt Jakhel wrote:If you check the seller's agent in the ad -- you'll see that it's the Nepremicnine SV guy that I've mentioned originally in this thread.

I very much suggest you contact him and present your wishes ... He's been around for a long time and knows the area well, I'm sure he can come up with good candidates for you.

Yes, that's a nice part of Goričko.

Note that if you're just buying land - only the land, no old house on it - then you need to jump through many legal and procedural hoops from zero to a finished house that you are legally allowed to live in. Buying an old house that already has electricity, water, sewage and a house number makes things easier.

Stephen, this may be of interest to you...

A small family farm near Vransko is looking for a caretaker because the owners like travelling. The caretaker would live in a small separate building with its own garden and is welcome to use it also when the owners return home.

It is expected that you arrange your own transportation. For caretaking duties you would receive a payment.

You should be good with animals because they have plenty of them (details in the ad).

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10212349908222149&id=1813087681&sfnsn=mo

Oh wow. That’s interesting. Can you call them for me and see if they are still needing this? Hope they speak English. I left them a message on fb. Thanks.

Crt Jakhel wrote:Stephen, this may be of interest to you...

A small family farm near Vransko is looking for a caretaker because the owners like travelling. The caretaker would live in a small separate building with its own garden and is welcome to use it also when the owners return home.

It is expected that you arrange your own transportation. For caretaking duties you would receive a payment.

You should be good with animals because they have plenty of them (details in the ad).

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10212349908222149&id=1813087681&sfnsn=mo