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Grafting onto Texas Persimmon?

 
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Can someone explain why Texas Persimmon Diospyros texana is not considered graft compatible with other Persimmons?

Thank you for any insight!
 
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Is that from local lore, online sources, or...?

I’m interested in general in persimmons and the grafting of them; good info is hard to find.  I have often wondered why we never see the Texas persimmon outside Texas.
 
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From this document:  https://aggie-horticulture.tamu.edu/fruit-nut/files/2015/04/persimmons_2015.pdf
 
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Thank you! Now I’m curious too.
 
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Well, shoot, I was hoping someone here would have the reason we can't graft onto Texas Persimmon.  Now I am tempted to try to obtain some Asian Persimmon scion wood and try some grafts.  I will happily pay shipping (domestic) for some wood if anyone has any!  I'm also interested in American Persimmon wood to graft with.

 
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I have 3 asian persimmons i planted one or two years ago. Give me details of what is suitable for grafting and i will fix you up. They came from Womack nursery. I never track which is which so cant tell you the exact variety.
 
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I don't know about Texas Persimmon, but I do know that people are starting to graft Asian persimmons onto American seedlings. The result should be a tree that is more drought tolerant and cold hardier (from the graft down at least). Old lore says that American persimmons can be more tolerant of wet soil too. You can get American persimmons seedlings from a lot of nurseries, including Burnt Ridge, where they're usually around $5
 
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Wow, wayne, you're the greatest!  Just cut off some dormant branch ends and send them!  So excited!
 
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Cool. I'll get them out by monday. I saw the PM first so no need to respond there.

The 2 varieties i have are fuyu and eureka. I just dont know which is which.
 
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Super!

 
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James Landreth wrote:Old lore says that American persimmons can be more tolerant of wet soil too.



I can confirm this part from personal experience. My sister has a small grove of American persimmons growing in seasonally flooded lakeshore slime with Apios Americana at their feet and a beaver lodge on the lakeshore not a dozen feet from the most prolific tree — which, oddly, beaver have never touched.  They have at least three other small groves in their little swamp of beaver wetlands that get wet feet at least some years and are healthy.
 
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Dan Boone wrote:

James Landreth wrote:Old lore says that American persimmons can be more tolerant of wet soil too.



I can confirm this part from personal experience. My sister has a small grove of American persimmons growing in seasonally flooded lakeshore slime with Apios Americana at their feet and a beaver lodge on the lakeshore not a dozen feet from the most prolific tree — which, oddly, beaver have never touched.  They have at least three other small groves in their little swamp of beaver wetlands that get wet feet at least some years and are healthy.



The wild persimmon trees on the place I moved from recently grew where the water flowed into a wet weather creek. Young ones grew along the fence line where the most water ran. Old, very straight and tall persimmons grew right next to the deep spots where the water stood. At times, they probably were in standing water, too.

More were starting to spread where the water overflowed from a pond. So now I always look for them close to water and the wild pecans a little further away, but in the same area.
 
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The thing that interests me the most about Texas Persimmon, apart from the beauty of this small tree, is its extreme drought tolerance.
 
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They should arrive Thursday.  I hope they work for you. Trees are small.
 
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Thank you!  I'm excited to try this!

 
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Grafted four of the pieces onto this small Texas Persimmon.  The remainder I stuck in a pot hoping they might root.  Even though I kept the sticks for too long in the fridge, they seemed to be in good condition.  Hope they take!
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Hey Tyler, I am wondering how is your experiment going? I live in Texas as well and I want to start cultivating Texas persimmons for local cultivars, hopefully in the Llano Estacado region if I get the job I applied for.
 
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They failed!
 
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Agh. That sucks in that case because I was hoping for the best. Hopefully I can move out West to try them myself.
 
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