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It's over!  Don't buy this.  Buy the recording instead!  You won't get to ask questions in real-time, but it's not in the past, so live in the present, why-don't-ya?

Saturday, June 17th, 10am MT



Talk with Beau M. Davidson about Homegrown Mushroom Insulation, DIY Doors, Giant Wooden Hinges, and more.

Beau hates boring stuff, so this won't be boring.  He wants it to be more like a party.  A webinar-party.  A webinarty?  Cool, lets go with that.

In this webinarty, participants are encouraged to top up their favorite cup with their favorite beverage, have some snacks ready, and jump right in to the wild and wonderful world of hi-fidelity, low-technology mushroom mycelium insulation.

Things we can talk about (if you wanna (Beau has slides and notes for all of this stuff, but we probably won't have time to cover it all)):
o growing valuable mushrooms at home for nearly zero dollars:
      * which mushrooms are good for what applications
      * what substrates are good for which mushrooms
      * using what you have
      * trusting that fungi knows how to do its job(s)
      * failing forward in homestead-scale biological r&d

o The Door at Cooper Cabin
      * design evolution
             - Cross-Laminated Timber (CLT)
             - Structural Insulated Panels (SIP)
             - Appropriating Industrial breakthroughs in sustainable and homestead-scale design
      * the Proenneke hinge
             - Who the deuce is Richard Preonneke, and why should we care?
      * What worked?  What didn't?  What will we do differently next time?
o other things we might accidentally start talking about
      * making sheds, lean-to's, dog-houses, root-cellars, tree-forts, barns, and homes out of materials offered to you by the land and community where you dwell
             - building with natural and abundant free materials
             - building ethically with non-natural and abundant free or cheap materials
             - improvisational and emergent architecture
             - maybe a funny tour of my berm shed inspired microcottage addition where I walk around the house awkwardly with my laptop
      * How Not to Homestead
             - resisting rural redlining
             - building immunity to the land-gobblers
             - Wendell Berry's It All Turns On Affection and the George Washington Carver Method of Discovery
      * why I agree with Paul about almost everything
             - how I kinda simultaneously disagree with Paul about almost everything
      * this year's Permaculture Technology Jamboree
      * what else? maybe drop a comment below.


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I'm putting together my slides.  What does everybody want to talk about?  
 
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From one of your bullet points - what does 'Rural Redlining' mean?
Looking forward to the webinar
 
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dave cashin wrote:From one of your bullet points - what does 'Rural Redlining' mean?



Excellent question.  To my knowledge, it is a term of my own invention, and I would have to answer it in the cider press.  So I prefer to wait until the webinar.  
 
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Beau M. Davidson wrote:What does everybody want to talk about?  



Before I left last year's PTJ, I could see through the window of the mycelium door some stuff growing in there.  As we discussed, I took some pictures.  You can see them below.





It is my understanding that the white stuff is the mycelium that we like and want to grow.  As I recall, the green stuff growing is a mycelium killer; I can't recall the name for it.  (Could you share what you think it is?)  Do you know the status of the two growths and the overall status door?  Did the experiment work?

Hope all is well with you.

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Matt Goto wrote:Before I left last year's PTJ, I could see through the window of the mycelium door some stuff growing in there.  As we discussed, I took some pictures.  You can see them below.





It is my understanding that the white stuff is the mycelium that we like and want to grow.  As I recall, the green stuff growing is a mycelium killer; I can't recall the name for it.  (Could you share what you think it is?)  Do you know the status of the two growths and the overall status door?  Did the experiment work?



Hey Matt!  Wish you were joining us again this year, m8 . . .

Yes, the second-flush bags we picked up had some pre-existing trichoderma, which is a fairly common competitor.  

I talked about it a little bit here:
https://permies.com/t/186123/oyster-mycelium-contamination#1475108

And Caleb took some follow-up shots here:
https://permies.com/t/220/174418/Caleb-Bootcamp-Experience-BRK#1568850

Then the door dessicated enough that the growth of both pleutorus and trichoderma had pretty much halted.  But not before he got some mushrooms out of the deal!  

https://permies.com/t/250/174418/Caleb-Bootcamp-Experience-BRK#1596463

Not generally supposed to happen, but it revealed some things about our process and presented no major problems.

I had Caleb open up the window and replace the trich'd substrate with some fresh straw and oyster spawn, but it never really took off again.  

We learned a lot from this project.  We know where some edges are where we need to take some more precautions.  We discovered some methods that will give us better, faster, more reliable results.  And I will enjoy telling you allllll about it!  A week from Saturday.
 
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Hey Matt!  Wish you were joining us again this year, m8 . . .



You and me both!  It's not to be though.  I was hoping for a hot second that I could go for a couple of days but that dried up too.    Maybe I'll be able to make it next year!  Here's to hoping!


Yes, the second-flush bags we picked up had some pre-existing trichoderma, which is a fairly common competitor.  

I talked about it a little bit here:
https://permies.com/t/186123/oyster-mycelium-contamination#1475108

And Caleb took some follow-up shots here:
https://permies.com/t/220/174418/Caleb-Bootcamp-Experience-BRK#1568850

Then the door dessicated enough that the growth of both pleutorus and trichoderma had pretty much halted.  But not before he got some mushrooms out of the deal!  

https://permies.com/t/250/174418/Caleb-Bootcamp-Experience-BRK#1596463

Not generally supposed to happen, but it revealed some things about our process and presented no major problems.

I had Caleb open up the window and replace the trich'd substrate with some fresh straw and oyster spawn, but it never really took off again.  

We learned a lot from this project.  We know where some edges are where we need to take some more precautions.  We discovered some methods that will give us better, faster, more reliable results.  And I will enjoy telling you allllll about it!  A week from Saturday.



Thanks for the info.  I'll take a look at Caleb's thread.  I hope I'll be able to make the zoom call.  I'm traveling then.  So it might be dicey.  Fingers crossed!!!
 
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I'd like to thank you for having the seminar at a time where it's convenient to join from Denmark, CET!
 
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Hi Beau! 2 topics I'm keenly interested in are:

How does mushroom as insulation work for say homebuilding where you have inspections during the build process and/or home insurance impacts?

What do you think of the feasibility of using it as the primary insulation source for say a solar lumber kiln (like these: https://extension.okstate.edu/fact-sheets/basics-of-solar-lumber-drying.html) where there will likely be high moisture?
 
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Adam Cartwright wrote:Hi Beau! 2 topics I'm keenly interested in are:

How does mushroom as insulation work for say homebuilding where you have inspections during the build process and/or home insurance impacts?

What do you think of the feasibility of using it as the primary insulation source for say a solar lumber kiln (like these: https://extension.okstate.edu/fact-sheets/basics-of-solar-lumber-drying.html) where there will likely be high moisture?



Oooh, great questions!  

I'll add a slide to talk about inspect-y stuff, although it's not my main focus at this time.

As for the solar wood kiln - I have built one of those, too!  I think it a suitable - perhaps even ideal - application, and worth talking about.
 
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Thank you for doing this.... can I say all of them?

Do you have a schedule for how long the zoom will last please?
 
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Rachael Cart wrote:Thank you for doing this.... can I say all of them?

Do you have a schedule for how long the zoom will last please?



I don't know.  At least an hour.  I'm happy to keep yakking about this stuff until people go cross-eyed.  What do you think?  60 minutes of slidy-bits, then however long people want to keep going?
 
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Will there be a recording if we can't make it please?
 
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Rachael Cart wrote:Will there be a recording if we can't make it please?



Yes, we are planning on recording.
 
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That was an awesome, informative live and interactive webinar, Beau! I'm a convert! Mushroom Mania has infected my brain!! I think everybody's questions were answered. Though I'm sure they thought of more afterwards.
 
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Yeah, good times everyone!  Thanks so much for jumping on.  I always get new ideas when we get together and talk about this stuff, so I am thankful for the opportunity.

Anyone have any follow-up questions, feedback, thoughts or ideas?
 
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so upset I missed this, everything in my life seems to be all about mushrooms and fungi at the moment.

I couldn't get online. Very intermittent internet here... did you make a recording I can view please?
 
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Rachael Cart wrote: so upset I missed this, everything in my life seems to be all about mushrooms and fungi at the moment.

I couldn't get online. Very intermittent internet here... did you make a recording I can view please?



If you had access to the live event and missed it, or want to watch it again, the replay is now available for a small upgrade fee - take a look at the upgrade bit in the listing above.

If you didn't have access to the live event, then you can buy the recording below:
https://permies.com/wiki/mycoinsulation-webinar
 
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Hi Beau,

I just got caught up and watched the webinar. Thank you for that.

I live in the UK in an old static caravan (mobile home) that I'm renovating, but it has very little in the way of insulation, just an inch or so of polystyrene between the interior wall and external sheet metal skin. This will be our first winter, and I have a stack of larch boards ready to clad the whole structure with. I hate the idea of putting in 'standard' insulation from both an ecological point of view and for the cost. Could I fill the gap between the exterior metal wall of the caravan and the larch boards with this mycelium insulation? Could I fill it as I board with the loose substrate so it solidifies in place? Could this be done at this time of year with success? I'm in the North here, and it's wet most days and although still fairly warm, soon we'll be below freezing, so I don't have time to wait 6 weeks to grow panels.

Any ideas or suggestions that you may have?

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Rachael Cart wrote:Hi Beau,

I just got caught up and watched the webinar. Thank you for that.

I live in the UK in an old static caravan (mobile home) that I'm renovating, but it has very little in the way of insulation, just an inch or so of polystyrene between the interior wall and external sheet metal skin. This will be our first winter, and I have a stack of larch boards ready to clad the whole structure with. I hate the idea of putting in 'standard' insulation from both an ecological point of view and for the cost. Could I fill the gap between the exterior metal wall of the caravan and the larch boards with this mycelium insulation? Could I fill it as I board with the loose substrate so it solidifies in place? Could this be done at this time of year with success? I'm in the North here, and it's wet most days and although still fairly warm, soon we'll be below freezing, so I don't have time to wait 6 weeks to grow panels.

Any ideas or suggestions that you may have?

Many thanks



Hi Rachael!  If you have access to 2nd flush bags or other pre-colonized grain spawn, you could give it a go. But it would be an experiment, with some considerations.  Within your time-constraints, unless you really like to monitor and tinker with stuff, I'd consider installing sheeps wool.  Or nothing for this winter if you can handle it, and going for mycelium beginning in the Spring.  Time is your friend with mycoinsulation.
 
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Thanks for the quick reply Beau. Yes, I had considered sheeps wool too, but wrong time of year again for finding any, but love the idea of testing out the mycelium in this application. I do like to tinker with stuff I did wonder if it might be too cold to grow in the winter, then it might get going itself in the spring?

Or I wonder if I was to wait until next year, whether I could still clad it for the winter, then I could take the top board off in spring and tip lots of loose substrate in the empty cavity and seal it back up again, whether that could work?
 
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Rachael Cart wrote:Thanks for the quick reply Beau. Yes, I had considered sheeps wool too, but wrong time of year again for finding any, but love the idea of testing out the mycelium in this application. I do like to tinker with stuff I did wonder if it might be too cold to grow in the winter, then it might get going itself in the spring?



It might bond together just fine.  Oyster is pretty active in low temps, relatively speaking.  I would be a little more concerned with how long it would take to dry.  In an ideal scenario, it has enough moisture to coalesce, but the conditions are such that it will begin to dry out shortly thereafter, reaching stasis as close to 10% moisture (or lower) as possible, as quickly as possible, to deter competing microbial activity.

The project as you describe is not unlike what we've done at Wheaton Labs - but those are experiments, with mixed (if educational) results.

Or I wonder if I was to wait until next year, whether I could still clad it for the winter, then I could take the top board off in spring and tip lots of loose substrate in the empty cavity and seal it back up again, whether that could work?



That's what I would do.  Clad now, stuff in spring.  Though you may consider stuffing incrementally, rather than all at once.  
 
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Thanks Beau,

I quite like the idea of my house sprouting mushrooms everywhere on the outside too. Would this cause problems? The Mycelium eating the cladding etc?
 
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Mushroom fruiting bodies require moisture, and moisture impedes insulative performance, so yeah, they are a bit mutually exclusive, at least within the same time frame.  At this stage of research, my goal after installation is to quickly initiate the drying out process.  Fruiting bodies can be harvested from substrate prior to installation.

That said, the door we did at Wheaton Labs did produce mushroom fruiting bodies and it didn't pose a huge problem - just poor insulative performance.  When it eventually dries out, I hypothesize that insulative value will achieve its characterisitc high marks.
 
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