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Looking for insight on how to confront neighbors who burn trash

 
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Hello Friends,

My partner and I are first time homeowners and new the rural neighborhood of Appalachia Ohio. We live in the midst of a multi generational family whose land management does not align with ours. One of the largest ways this misalignment comes to the surface is how they manage their trash. Their main waste management is a private landfill that is the hillside behind their house and ours, but on their private property.

Recently they have begun burning their trash once the sun goes down. Help! How do we confront them on this? For one, I am not a confrontational person, secondly I am new to the neighborhood and in my 20’s (they are older than me, thus more intimidating?). In my personal opinion involving the authorities is my last result, but definitely something I would like to avoid.

Last bit of prevalent information in this situation that I would like to emphasize is the multi generational family 75 acre property that our 1.25 acres sits in the middle of. Obviously we don't want to be the squeaky wheel that results in a hostile neighbor dynamic.  
 
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Why would the authorities get involved? Is it illegal for them to burn their trash?  My thinking is that people can do what they want with their own property, within the confines of the law.  If you want them to change your best bet is to introduce them to better ways, in a non let-me-teach-you-better-child manner. You may see it as an opportunity to get some free composting materials too depending on what the garbage is.
 
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This is a post that I made for a friend.

They live down wind of this toxic plastic smoke and it happens every night. If they can't work out a mutually beneficial agreement the authorities might have to get involved due to this being a health hazard and because in this area burning trash is illegal.  
 
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That's a tough one, I once went camping with some people, one of them was a best friend at the time, and a long time after that, and one of them was her stupid fiance, note that she finally realized I was right about him and broke up with him later on.  Anyways this doofus was burning plastic in our campfire and I tried to gently point out that it was adding unsafe chemicals to the air, he poopooed my concerns and went right on doing it.  My best friend didn't get involved.

I'd say the first step, which might go better for y'all than it did for me, is to ask them about it, ask about what's going on, maybe start with some observations "I have noticed that, sometimes at night, I smell some really chemically smells coming from your backyard, maybe if I knew what you're burning back there I'd understand why that is happening?"  And then see what they say.  Maybe talk about how those stinks feel, how you've heard that it can be dangerous.  Maybe capitalize on being new to the area, ask if there are places to dispose of similar trash nearby, possibly for your own knowledge for yourself, etc.  Obviously if none of this sideways thinking works you can move toward pointing out the illegality and danger of it, but maybe start small, maybe they will come to the right conclusion on their own without needing to be told what to do?
 
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Austin Cannon wrote:This is a post that I made for a friend.

They live down wind of this toxic plastic smoke and it happens every night. If they can't work out a mutually beneficial agreement the authorities might have to get involved due to this being a health hazard and because in this area burning trash is illegal.  



My first thought when I read the first post in this thread is:

How do you get rid of your trash?  Since you are making this post for a friend, may I ask how do they get rid of their trash?

Maybe they could offer to do the same for the neighbor`s trash so that they do not have to burn it.

Burning paper and wood is making biochar so just offer to dispose of the plastic stuff?

You might suggest that they use mealy worm on that plastic:

https://permies.com/t/50485/composting/Mealworms-Eating-Styrofoam

Maybe you could start a business to get rid of all the neighbor's trash? Or even start a mealy worm business.



 
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Can your friend move? There’s no good way out of that.
 
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Austin Cannon wrote:Hello Friends,

My partner and I are first time homeowners and new the rural neighborhood of Appalachia Ohio. We live in the midst of a multi generational family whose land management does not align with ours. One of the largest ways this misalignment comes to the surface is how they manage their trash. Their main waste management is a private landfill that is the hillside behind their house and ours, but on their private property.

Recently they have begun burning their trash once the sun goes down. Help! How do we confront them on this? For one, I am not a confrontational person, secondly I am new to the neighborhood and in my 20’s (they are older than me, thus more intimidating?). In my personal opinion involving the authorities is my last result, but definitely something I would like to avoid.

Last bit of prevalent information in this situation that I would like to emphasize is the multi generational family 75 acre property that our 1.25 acres sits in the middle of. Obviously we don't want to be the squeaky wheel that results in a hostile neighbor dynamic.  




Hello Austin,

You are right to be concerned. Burn barrels, believe it or not, are the largest uncontrolled source of lethal air pollution in North America. I learned the ins and outs of it when I was asked by a woman named Julie Innes back in 2008 who was in a very similar situation to yours. She lived at the end of a dead-end road in the bush. The prevailing wind travelled the length of the road and the smoke would pour in through her kitchen window even when it was closed. She wore a military-grade gas mask in her house whenever the burning was going on which was once a week. Each time it happened, she would call an ambulance and collapse. The ambulance would come and take her to the hospital. Once there, she revived. The doctors claimed she was faking it. She'd been to the Police, the Fire Department, the local Town Council in Minden, Ontario and the local newspaper. The newspaper covered her story on a number of occasions but no one would talk to the neighbours to get them to stop. That was the state of things when she called me.

It was winter, the snow was deep. she explained and showed me how it all worked. She insisted that I not talk to the neighbours because she didn't drive and they were her only way to get to a store for groceries. She was a First Nations woman too, so that was part of what was working against her with the authorities.

The burn barrels in question had fabricated lids that looked like the hood scoops on a muscle car. All of them were pointed directly and her house.

Back home, I checked the legislation and found that burn barrels are illegal in Canada without a permit and are not to be used for burning anything but wood and paper. My next stop was the local OPP - the Ontario Provincial Police. They were non-committal and knew nothing about the health hazards. After that, the Fire Department to find out about permits. Nope, they'd never been asked for a permit on that street. They professed to know nothing. In reality, they knew exactly what was going on. They weren't doing their jobs and didn't want to. Everyone was related in one way or another. The Town Council claimed not to know anything either and refused to do anything including enforcing their own bylaws.

After that, I met with OPP Commissioner Julian Fantino, the top cop who blew the whistle on street racing and changed the laws almost worldwide single-handedly. He did it by fraudulent means but that's another issue. I wrote a book about it.

I've known Fantino since 1967 when we both worked at a grocery/department store called Steinberg's Miracle Mart. So we knew each other. He promised me he would investigate. He didn't.

So with no other options, I went and talked to all of her neighbours and explained to them what they were doing to Julie. They listened. They stopped burning their garbage and no longer took her to do her grocery shopping. She wouldn't talk to me anymore after that. She died of lung cancer and was not a smoker, lived in the wilderness. In my opinion, she was murdered by her neighbours and the Town of Minden's Municipal officials who should have protected her.
 
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