It's never too late to start! I retired to homestead on the slopes of Mauna Loa, an active volcano. I relate snippets of my endeavor on my blog : www.kaufarmer.blogspot.com
'Theoretically this level of creeping Orwellian dynamics should ramp up our awareness, but what happens instead is that each alert becomes less and less effective because we're incredibly stupid.' - Jerry Holkins
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D Nikolls wrote:I will never buy a 'Unique' brand product again. My DC fridge and propane range have both been lousy, particularly the fridge........
.............. twin Victron inverters with higher idle consumption could be turned off probably 85% of the time.
Kathleen Sanderson wrote:We don't currently use any major solar, other than some small rechargeable items with built-in solar panels. I want to change that. My plan is to start putting up solar panels next year, then add batteries, inverter, charge controller. Then, as various appliances need to be replaced, I want to replace them with 12v. Eventually we should have the whole house running on solar, or close to it, leaving the grid wiring in place if we still need it for a few things (like the two window AC units that keep us cool in Kentucky summers).
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Mart Hale wrote:I am running a full sized fridge off solar. But I have over 30 kWH of battery storage, and about 5,000 watts of solar which has me off the electrical grid, but not the propane grid.
The first limit you have is how much space do you have for a fridge.... This helps to limit down what you can have..
If you have lots of space, then the Amish made freezers are good options.
Other options include converting a freezer into a fridge.... Extra complication, but if you don't need the freezer function may be useful depending on the needs.
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Tommy Bolin wrote: The fridge and freezer draw about 65-70w ea. running. My only complaint would be the fridge doesn't have enough insulation for a 24V DC off grid in my opinion, was hard to tell having never seen one.
disposable, 12V is fine for a small RV or whatever, but anything that needs real, permanent power runs better on 24V and quality.
L Garnaat wrote:Hello @Mart Hale, you mention an Amish made freezer, what is that?
Life on a farm is a school of patience; you can't hurry the crops or make an ox in two days.
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Tommy Bolin wrote:
D Nikolls wrote:I will never buy a 'Unique' brand product again. My DC fridge and propane range have both been lousy, particularly the fridge........
.............. twin Victron inverters with higher idle consumption could be turned off probably 85% of the time.
I'd like to ask what was wrong with your fridge? I'd like to stock spare parts, if necessary.
We bought a set, 24V DC 16?c.f. fridge and 9 c.f. chest freezer, can also be run on 120AC. I was under the impression they were made in Canada, having never seen one in person. Fridge at least appears to have been shipped from Vietnam. Been very happy with them, although the chest freezer has seen very limited use. Soft, ramped startup to avoid large power draw and compressor wear, quiet. The fridge and freezer draw about 65-70w ea. running. My only complaint would be the fridge doesn't have enough insulation for a 24V DC off grid in my opinion, was hard to tell having never seen one.
We also have have about a decade of part time service from a Unique propane fridge at one of the other cabins, great unit.
I doubled the usage I get from a 100lb propane cylinder to well over three months by taking our old, reliable, but small Consol propane fridge out of the loop, replacing with DC. Might take years to pay for the new fridge, which seems to just keep incrementally climbing in price, and we never would have had the option to upgrade to our current freezer capacity just on propane. Also, propane was unavailable locally for just a short time during Covid terror, lesson learned. I can now stock enough tanks for almost 2 years of service.
I'm sure I've written this before, but I have done everything up here on microgrids. Every building and large task, (houses, garage, skid shack, domestic lake water pump, yard water, fire suppression) has it's own power. Allowed me to build over time with less expensive sourced equipment, no hugely expensive cabling, large arrays or inverters/controllers. Our needs are very modest, small house, no TV or large draw appliances. A 30 yr old Trace 4k 24V inverter runs the house. Rock solid, hand built in the U.S.A. I bought a pair of them, never used, at a great price from a solar dealers storage room. Much of our lighting is simple rechargables. As I build out my work and living spaces, I expect to upgrade.
The garage inverter grid runs a 6c.f.70W MagicChef AC chest freezer in a cool, insulated, back room, our primary storage freezer. Low power draw, on a timer set to run during daylight hours. Purchased cheap, used, 6 yrs. of great service.
I ran a dedicated 24V DC circuit for the new appliances. On the advice of my supplier I added a Victron 24-24V converter to avoid exposing the appliances to the high voltages of battery equalization as well as a steady, unvarying supply voltage. Seems like a formula for longer DC appliance life.
We live remote and leave home for extended periods of time. Having an inverter running when gone just seems like a short-sighted, unnecessary, layer of complexity, risk, wear and tear. We have gotten more than 35yrs of part time service from the 4024 Trace in the other cabin. By babying this one I expect to get a couple decades from it.
Only thing I would do differently from my current setup would be to bypass the cheap, Chinese junk inverters, controllers, small pumps I experimented with building here. Kindergarten, disposable, 12V is fine for a small RV or whatever, but anything that needs real, permanent power runs better on 24V and quality, modest sized 12V is not that much more expensive.
'Theoretically this level of creeping Orwellian dynamics should ramp up our awareness, but what happens instead is that each alert becomes less and less effective because we're incredibly stupid.' - Jerry Holkins
L Garnaat wrote:Hello @Mart Hale, you mention an Amish made freezer, what is that?
Life on a farm is a school of patience; you can't hurry the crops or make an ox in two days.
Henri Alain
Mart Hale wrote:
L Garnaat wrote:Hello @Mart Hale, you mention an Amish made freezer, what is that?
My friend got back to me....
They bought the
sun star model st 15cf
https://www.sunstarappliance.com/product-page/sunstar-solar-ac-chest-freezer-15cu-st-15cf-ac
Specs..
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Efficiency – SunStar appliances use an exclusive Keota DC compressor sized specifically for the appliance for faster cooling on start-up, combined with ultra-thick polyurethane wall and door insulation, making each appliance super-efficient.
SunStar Vs Conventional Household AC models:
No inverter required! – SunStar operates on solar and DC systems, and automatically detects and functions using 12v or 24v battery banks
Input Power 115VAC
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Coydon Wallham wrote:If they are partnering with the Amish and not just exploiting the name, this sounds promising. However, when the marketing starkly contradicts itself between products, I'd hesitate to order anything online from them.
Efficiency – SunStar appliances use an exclusive Keota DC compressor sized specifically for the appliance for faster cooling on start-up, combined with ultra-thick polyurethane wall and door insulation, making each appliance super-efficient.
SunStar Vs Conventional Household AC models:
No inverter required! – SunStar operates on solar and DC systems, and automatically detects and functions using 12v or 24v battery banks
and the model you originally linked:
Input Power 115VAC
Life on a farm is a school of patience; you can't hurry the crops or make an ox in two days.
Henri Alain
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Tommy Bolin wrote:[quote=D Nikolls
At that time it cooled ok, but the top freezer compartment iced up badly and often.
Over time the compressor ran an ever increasing portion of the time; when it was pulled from service it would no longer keep cool enough and ran constantly. Slow refrigerant leak?
By that time I'd gotten married and found that life with my wife required more fridge space, and I had no faith in the unit, so I didn't look into repairs. The AC convertible chest freezer was about 30% the cost, keeps food much longer, and generally feels better built. It's also very power efficient due to extra insulation and top opening
'Theoretically this level of creeping Orwellian dynamics should ramp up our awareness, but what happens instead is that each alert becomes less and less effective because we're incredibly stupid.' - Jerry Holkins
David Nightingale wrote:
Great advice. Anymore? I’m in the middle of below grade room build for this exact purpose, as well as increased insulation to zero degree, regular freezer, fridge that will reside in that room. Brands and models any advice greatly appreciated. I like the buy in person with voltmeter and testing. We did that at a moderately upscale appliance dealer and found a few probs, higher load draws, shorts, all kinds.
As well is Sol-Ark 15K worth $$$ vs MyGrid $$ 10K givin likelihood of solid state battery tech coming in next 10 years? Thanks, Cheers the micro grids.
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