This looks amazing! Thanks for the tip!
Experience talking (not scientifically justified).
Oh, wait, I think I see.... You were being funny. My mistake.
J. L. Hudson, Seedsman http://www.jlhudsonseeds.net/
btw, BL is easy to grow from seed - just soak in hot water and plant the ones that swell up - it is a legume afterall
The fresh flowers are absolutely Delicious! I pick them right off the tree in early summer. Thousands of flowers, you can pop em right into your mouth.. Or, better yet take them home fry em in coconut oil battered, and have the oh so most tasty treat! They really are so delicious. If they'res a fair this year or some sort of venue at the right time I'm going to introduce my little town to some fried Locus flowers. Hell, maybe I'll sell them on the road right near the trees where I get them if nothing comes up. THey are so Good.
Some trees such as oak trees can increase tannin levels in response to predation.
Perhaps how long and severely a black locust tree is harvested for fodder affects toxin levels.
Climate and soil conditions are probably important too.
Ya know in case there were not enough unanswered questions here
Being a Wyoming expat now living north of you in MT I can only offer one bit that might help. Your observation that the wood feels sound and then seems to lose that late in winter/early spring, have you tried a fairly deep mulch of something like wood chips around the trees? A fairly deep mulch applied several feet diameter around the trunk might help keep the ground cold enough late enough into the spring that the trees will only start to come out of dormancy late enough to avoid the late freeze damage. I know that the cold and dry of winter there in the Bighorn Basin is not exactly plant friendly. You likely have a pH higher than that I dealt with in Casper (around 8.0 to 8.2). Try also to make sure that the soil around the trees is thoroughly saturated in the fall before freeze up. A family member has three 30-35 ft. tall black locusts growing in a yard situationin Casper but these trees are growing on the N. Platte floodplain on much siltier soil than you describe.
I've tried the mulching and heavy fall watering on my own two year old seedlings here in Helena. We'll see how well they've handled the intense cold and dryness here. Heck, to top it off, we've had a massive amount of snow in the last four weeks and now it's all melted and the ground is saturated. Can't wait to see what will happen next! Good luck with your trees.
Cj Verde wrote:Cover with 190° water. Way easier than nicking each one. The ones that swell are usable.
The batch I tried this with this year did not respond well to hot water. Room temperature water worked much better. I suppose it may vary due to unknown factors.
tel jetson wrote:after reading Ben Law's The Woodland Way, I decided to try out a traditional forestry practice called "shredding". I'm not very familiar with this practice, but it involves removing the branches, leaves, and tops of living trees toward the end of summer. the leaves still have plenty of protein in them at this point and, depending on species, make good food for critters.
so, having previously read about trials of black locust hay, I tried this out on a small stand of black locust this weekend. I left the branches laying in the sun for a day, then cut the leaves off and piled them in the hay loft. our goats love the dried leaves. I'm hoping that I gathered enough to get them through the winter without buying in hay.
it was a lot of work, but I think it will be easier next year, as the branches that grow back will be smaller. after a few years of this, I'll start harvesting the stout poles that will result. I'll use them for round wood building and firewood. new stems will sprout from roots and the whole thing should keep humming along indefinitely.
How'd this work out for you Tel?
Also honeylocust - Gleditsia triacanthos L. does NOT fix nitrogen according to USDA and other sources
black locust - Robinia pseudoacacia does, totally different genus.
I heard recently that Gleditsia triacanthos actually does fix nitrogen, but it's so primitive that it doesn't form nodules. Since people didin't see nodules before, they figured Honey locust didn't fix nitrogen: http://faculty.virginia.edu/honeylocust-agroforestry/agroforestry/Honeylocust%20Research%20Newsletter%20No.%202.htm
Also - the massive pictures are breaking the display of these threads, and I have a fairly large monitor. Could you shrink them down a bit first?
"I've been watching your Black Locust viddy.
I've lots to add- to brag, I was first at Lost Valley for a
Restoration Forestry Conference that Skeeter put on. Based on what I
had done with black locust, I figured I was the only person there who
had planted a tree, cut it down, built something with it, and still
had the growing tree. That was in 1989.
For instance, I discovered it on my own, but found it is well-known in
the East where split wood basketry is a traditional craft: Black
Locust sap wood makes fine split wood baskets, flexy but tough.
If you or someone you know wants, I have some seed of Black Locust
named varieties from Hungary, where it is one of the most important
forestry trees. The selections where made for both timber and honey
I got the seed on a quest in AZ to obtain root cuttings of a tree-form
stand of Robinia neomexicana on the Mogollon Rim, but this time I was
snowed out. I will be trying again. R. neomexicana will likely become
an important species in Idaho with climate change.
Apparently none of your folks in the video have had a chance to work
with big green locust logs. Quartering a suitably large log makes the
best posts. The Black Locust Journal (defunct) said folks back East
figured green woodworking was the way to go with Robinia. I
successfully split out a 22 in. X 2.5 in. X 60 inch board from a green
log cut from a pioneer-planted roadside tree with only a sledge and
wedges, in a very few minutes.
I've met an arborist who was paid to take some locusts down, and then
tripled his money by hauling the best of the logs from Eugene to Pt.
Townsend and selling them to wooden boat builders. I also own a
green-turned black locust bowl from a Eugene woodturner.
Didn't see any mention of foliage being used for compost.
My first try at interplanting bamboo with nitrogen fixers was with
black locust. Some of those trees are nearly 3 feet in diameter now,
and 60 ft. tall.
The Robinine alkaloid is no joke; coppice regrowth is toxic enough to
kill a hungry horse. This has caused unreasoning hatred of locust by
some horsey females."
So, do they grow true to type? Will my spineless seeds grow spineless BL's?