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I am trying to figure out where the tinkering forum is . I wanted to ask about a few replies/posts of mine that just disappeared without any trace. Thanks.
 
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Hello Oddo,

You've found the tinkering forum.  https://permies.com/f/11/tnk

Any posts that don't meet publishing standards are usually quietly removed.  https://permies.com/t/17422/tnk/permies-publishing-standards


And here is a great big pile of links to help you learn more about how permies works https://permies.com/wiki/34193/permies-works-links-threads

Is there anything specific you want me to look into?  
 
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r ranson wrote:Hello Oddo,

You've found the tinkering forum.  https://permies.com/f/11/tnk

Any posts that don't meet publishing standards are usually quietly removed.  https://permies.com/t/17422/tnk/permies-publishing-standards


And here is a great big pile of links to help you learn more about how permies works https://permies.com/wiki/34193/permies-works-links-threads

Is there anything specific you want me to look into?  



Well, yes. I am not sure I understand why my reply to Orin in the "Who did you believe when you started out" thread (https://permies.com/t/133003/starting) was removed, for example. His post (which you can read) was about not wanting to break his back farming. My reply was that I concur with everything he said and that growing your own fertllity on the farm is good design (as in permac. design) and that <1% of the population here farms because most people are specialists and that I do not see that changing any time soon , so I farm. It is very confusing to figure out what exactly is the offending part. In a different thread an admin told me "we do not tell people what they should or should not do". Yet in this thread (https://permies.com/t/116921) a person says that they can't wait to get out of the city and mention that the husband is not very keen on that thought and someone tells them point blank "End the relationship" (as in get a divorce), which I feel is a pretty strong thing to say (and definitely violates the rule I was told).

I was also told in one of the replies not to ask personal questions. Well, the whole thread was about "who do you believe" and whether they disclose info. Someone replied and in their reply they said that they have a 5 acre homestead (which they advertise in their signature) but they never said how they started. The gist of that whole thread I started was about disclosure and honesty. IN my reply I never asked for private information, I set up a hypothetical where I said something like "If you did not disclose so and so info, it would not be honest". Yet the reply was not allowed. I am confused.

In a separate comment by an admin, I was told that the replies must be "positive" and not "moany and whiny". That being offensive itself aside, there are many things in life that may have a positive or negative resolution but that does not mean that the negative stuff has to be swept under the rug. I think maybe it is better to discuss it openly and come up with a solution - a positive one. That was the whole point of my "Who did you believe" thread. Point out a problem and see what people think and maybe get to authors etc. that are genuine and can be trusted. In fact, a few people did just that, point out stuff like that.
 
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It looks like several issues going on here.  Since most of this has already been explained by Paul Wheaton in better words than I could ever cobble together, I'm going to give you some links to read.  


Your posts in the Starting Out thread were removed for talking about politics/ethics/or toxic gick outside the cider press.  https://permies.com/t/31128/tnk/category-Cider-Press


The asking too personal questions example failed to meet the Be Nice requirements.  https://permies.com/t/2296/tnk/nice

Your example of "If you did not disclose so and so info, it would not be honest" clearly breaks publishing standards!  If you are having trouble seeing how this isn't nice, then I suggest you do a lot more reading of the how permies works links before posting to permies again.  


the "postive, moany, whiny" issue - This site is solution-focused.  Problem-focused and negativity are not fitting with publishing standards and often fail to leave room for other peoples ideas.
https://permies.com/t/17422/tnk/permies-publishing-standards
https://permies.com/t/7304/tnk/Leaving-room-peoples-ideas


While you're reading, have a look at what Paul says here: https://permies.com/t/10914/CENSORSHIP-Paul-Wheaton-requested#99375


Permies is not like the rest of the internet.  We have a very narrow focus and only publish content that fits within it.  
 
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Hi Oddo

FWIW, I have on occasion had posts disappear. It's good to discuss it with the moderators as in your thread here. There _will_ be  misunderstandings and sometimes more or less permanent disagreement between "reasonable people". The moderators always "win" of course. <G> Is that a problem? No, not to my mind, especially considering that so far moderators seem to be willing and able to take a try at explaining things and have been more or less consistent.

I promise you, you are not suffering at the hands of an arbitrary censure  by somebody having a bad day. As a whole moderators put in a _great_ deal of work which the site absolutely requires. So when your writing gets "edited", you're not dealing with just a momentary whim - these people spend hundreds of hours on this project and most of them are probably not terribly rewarding or satisfying hours. You (we) are dealing with quite experienced working folk, doing their job, and incarnating together many thousands of hours of experience. So far, from all appearances of this site, successfully. IOW, it's' not just about you or their special prejudice. Know the tree by it's fruit.

There are thousands of members of many different types and _all_ discussions must be kept civil and generally acceptable to all. Very tall order there. Thus the calls by our referees definitely lean toward the sweetness and light side. That does not prevent some serious in depth discussion but it _does_, at times, require some careful thought and phrasing and some awareness that some sensibilities are more delicate than others. I don't consider that unreasonable in the slightest - we all need to put some effort into maintaining good civic environment here. It isn't _that_ hard and in fact  it's darn good practice - hones the persuasive delivery and might even bring out more creative thoughts.

And sometimes, of course, we suffer a   (grievously ! <g>)  unfair call and it smarts. Happens in sports all the time. Usually after a bit of exclamation, the game goes on and the the "victim" jumps back into play, albeit a little more daintily for a while. That's how it works for me, anyway.

For what it's worth, your "...Believe" thread looks like a good one to me.

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