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trying to find a forum....Does anyone have any idea on how to combat road degradation?  Our county "powers that be" is threatening to "change" our road to gravel.  It is up to us (4 families) to save it.  We don't want to live in a dust bowl. We have approximately 4500 feet that we are desperately trying to save.  The photo is an example of what is happening.  Last year (late summer) we had it oil coated and obviously had very little success.  There is very little depth to most of these holes and it is hard to figure out how to patch it.   Thoughts, ideas, experience, grants are all appreciated. Please and thank you!
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example of what is going on... :(
example of what is going on... :(
 
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I spent most of my life eating county gravel road dust, so I certainly sympathize.

The road beds in rural areas were often just the mixed dirt scooped out from the ditches. Because it absorbs and holds moisture, it moves, slumps, and frost heaves. It's a lousy foundation for modern roads that have heavy truck traffic or a paved surface.

Upgrading the road base costs a fortune, so rural municipalities are very selective. And fixing the pavement on an unimproved road is a never-ending game of whack-a-mole -- it has to be regularly oiled and graded.

At my old property, the county would subsidize the cost of annual oiling on a 100-yard stretch, but if you put out your own stakes based on the prevailing wind, it was effective; if you wanted more, you paid full price.

None of this windbaggery really helps, sorry. Except to say: I get it.
 
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Hi Michele;
That appears to be an asphalt road.   The only way to patch them is with more asphalt.  Use a home made packer and a propane weed burner.
Heat up your existing road and your patch material until the oil starts flowing then smash them together.
This is how our enthusiastic county road crew occasionally attempts to do more than support their shovels.

Despite the dust  I prefer a gravel road... at least they can grade it.
And Magnesium Chloride practically eliminates dust.    Of course its not cheap...
 
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I drive down over 6 miles of dirt to get to town, gravel sound very nice to me...fancy even.
Like D,A. said, counties have to spend the money based on traffic load etc.. Only a few people around me so pavement will never get here. (I hope)
 
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thomas rubino wrote:Heat up your existing road and your patch material until the oil starts flowing then smash them together.
This is how our enthusiastic county road crew occasionally attempts to do more than support their shovels.



LOL! My nose tells me that the patch material has a bit of more volatile stuff in the mix to help the bond occur. Phew.
 
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The options are few ...breath dust or breath fumes.   I presently live on a gravel road.  Fortunately, I am virtually the only one using it.
 
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