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rocket oven in outdoor kitchen (whole new build) design

 
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this is a placeholder so design discussion can begin!
 
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Here's a picture with dimensions to aid in designing the outdoor kitchen!
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what does the front of the building look like - is it open or is there some sort of door?
 
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Steve Boyd wrote:what does the front of the building look like - is it open or is there some sort of door?



It will remain open - cuz it is an outdoor kitchen.

It is currently "the delivery shed" - a pinch downhill of the red cabin.  Lots of pics here.

Here you can see the opening



Here you can see the back - and I think we need to make a window on the back



And the red cabin has been painted since this pic.
 
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Here's a couple of photos I took today of the outside of the kitchen design space. I am also including some mockups for easy "windows." The idea is that we'll cut straight through the studs and panel, then remount that cut-out part to make some sort of swinging or sliding piece of wall, which can let in air and light when desired.
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Is the rocket oven already designed that will be going into here or will it be both designed and built along the way?  If there is a design that you already have that will be used here, could you please link to that design thread.....would be curious about the design of a rocket oven versus rocket stove (outdoor) and RMH (indoor).  Thanks!
 
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During the heat wave of the PTJ, it was still kinda toasty in that delivery area.  I'm thinking having some high windows/vents to let heat out would be very beneficial.  Maybe in the triangle peak of the south wall...
 
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John Weiland wrote:Is the rocket oven already designed that will be going into here or will it be both designed and built along the way?  If there is a design that you already have that will be used here, could you please link to that design thread.....would be curious about the design of a rocket oven versus rocket stove (outdoor) and RMH (indoor).  Thanks!



This is the thread to start hammering out this design.  Hopefully we will get some early sketches today.

I think this will be the rough placement

 
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If that bay is 7.5' wide, I think there won't be nearly enough room for a dining table and chairs along the side.  Maybe a narrow breakfast bar...  

I think 3' is the minimum space you'd want between a kitchen countertop and an island to allow two people to pass.  So if your sink countertop is 2' deep and you tack on 3' for people, it leaves you with 2.5' for the dining area.  If anyone's sitting you lose much more space.  So people sitting there while others try to wash dishes would be a problem.

What do the "L" and "C"s stand for?

What's the intent for this kitchen?  Cooking big meals for events?  Boots feeding themselves?  

There was a wonderful design in the PDC where someone had an outdoor kitchen in one or two cells of the berm shed.  Maybe that would give you a bit more elbow room?
 
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Found out what the letters mean:

L = lorena
c = cooktop (probably glass)
x = vertical exhaust

The little squares would represent the wood feed at floor level (so there can be a full size wood feed and a full size riser
 
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Mike Haasl wrote:During the heat wave of the PTJ, it was still kinda toasty in that delivery area.  I'm thinking having some high windows/vents to let heat out would be very beneficial.  Maybe in the triangle peak of the south wall...



I think we should start by adding three windowless windows and see how that is.  And then we might want to do a lot more.
 
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Mike Haasl wrote:If that bay is 7.5' wide, I think there won't be nearly enough room for a dining table and chairs along the side.  Maybe a narrow breakfast bar...  



Agreed.

I think we should leave the windowless side fully open until the cooktop and oven are in.  And then we can do some further lawnchair design.


What do the "L" and "C"s stand for?



L = lorena

C = cooktop


What's the intent for this kitchen?  Cooking big meals for events?  Boots feeding themselves?



A place for seppers to cook
a place for anybody to cook when it is hot
a second kitchen for when the primary kitchen is too busy
during events, the primary kitchen is 100% occupied by the cook, so people that have special diets need a place to cook
A lot of people want/need to build experience with rocket cooking stuff
We need lots more rocket cooking experimental contraptions
  - need to demonstrated one lorena
  - need a really nice indoor oven


There was a wonderful design in the PDC where someone had an outdoor kitchen in one or two cells of the berm shed.  Maybe that would give you a bit more elbow room?



Where does the kitchen sink drain?

With this spot, there are lots of gardens downhill for water.
 
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paul wheaton wrote:Where does the kitchen sink drain?

With this spot, there are lots of gardens downhill for water.


Great point.  The berm one would have to use every bit of elevation below the sink strainer so it could run somewhere.  Bucket in an easy to access spot or direct to a mulch pit or growie if the cells were near the south end of the berm shed.  

Thanks for explaining the uses of the kitchen, it should be fairly well situated to satisfy them.  Maybe there's be room for a refrigerator somewhere...
 
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