Our projects:
in Portugal, sheltered terraces facing eastwards, high water table, uphill original forest of pines, oaks and chestnuts. 2000m2
in Iceland: converted flat lawn, compacted poor soil, cold, windy, humid climate, cold, short summer. 50m2
Idle dreamer
Eric Toensmeier wrote:Have you seen my article on perennial staple crops? perennialsolutions.org--> perennial farming systems.
Our projects:
in Portugal, sheltered terraces facing eastwards, high water table, uphill original forest of pines, oaks and chestnuts. 2000m2
in Iceland: converted flat lawn, compacted poor soil, cold, windy, humid climate, cold, short summer. 50m2
Author 'Perennial Vegetables', co-author 'Edible Forest Gardens'.
Website - http://www.perennialsolutions.org/
Nicole Castle wrote:For self-sufficiency without animals, you also need to focus on vegetable sources of fat. You can live without protein and you can live without carbs, but your body MUST have fat in order to function. So I think it's important to include that as a category, even though I think most permies include animals in their systems. Nut crops are good sources of dietary fat and store well, but it's hard to grow enough to supply a year's worth.
I think we emailed about that. Groundnut, Chinese yam, hog peanut, skirret, sunchoke, arrowhead, hazel, some of the perennial grains being developed like rye and wheat. We have a perennial bean Phaseolus polystachios but it is undomesticated.
Our projects:
in Portugal, sheltered terraces facing eastwards, high water table, uphill original forest of pines, oaks and chestnuts. 2000m2
in Iceland: converted flat lawn, compacted poor soil, cold, windy, humid climate, cold, short summer. 50m2
Walter Jeffries wrote:For starch we eat a lot of potatoes.
For protein we eat meat and beans. Both easy things to grow in our northern climate.
We also eat a lot of tomatoes, squash and pumpkins. The harder squash, pumpkins keep well through the winter.
Our projects:
in Portugal, sheltered terraces facing eastwards, high water table, uphill original forest of pines, oaks and chestnuts. 2000m2
in Iceland: converted flat lawn, compacted poor soil, cold, windy, humid climate, cold, short summer. 50m2
Paulo Bessa wrote:Protein-wise, we cannot grow beans outside, climate is too cold
Paulo Bessa wrote:So far I was not able to grow pumpkins, but since I can grow squash maybe I am missing a cold weather variety of pumpkin. Any idea on this?
Paulo Bessa wrote:Anyone knows hardy varieties of hazelnuts and walnuts?
Paulo Bessa wrote:Please let me remember everyone that our summer is colder than in Alaska, Siberian or Canada. Alaska, Siberia or Canada are continental climate, the summers are warmer.
Brenda
Bloom where you are planted.
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Walter Jeffries wrote:
Paulo Bessa wrote:Protein-wise, we cannot grow beans outside, climate is too cold
According to Wiki http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iceland your temperatures are almost identical to those at our house - we're in the northern part of Vermont up in the mountains
We grow beans (protein), peas (protein), pumpkins, tomatoes, sunflowers (protein), sunchokes (starch), potatoes (starch) with ease. We do have trouble with melons, peppers and corn - some years they are okay but rarely unless I use cover. I think that if you work on establish appropriate soil, solar exposure angle and microclimate you'll do quite well. It does require some technique and establishment of infrastructure. Try raised beds as they help to warm the soil. Try dark soil on a slope facing south by south east with a wind block on the windward side.
Our projects:
in Portugal, sheltered terraces facing eastwards, high water table, uphill original forest of pines, oaks and chestnuts. 2000m2
in Iceland: converted flat lawn, compacted poor soil, cold, windy, humid climate, cold, short summer. 50m2
Nicole Castle wrote:For self-sufficiency without animals, you also need to focus on vegetable sources of fat. You can live without protein and you can live without carbs, but your body MUST have fat in order to function.
Alex Brands wrote:
Nicole Castle wrote:For self-sufficiency without animals, you also need to focus on vegetable sources of fat. You can live without protein and you can live without carbs, but your body MUST have fat in order to function.
I agree on fats and carbs, but not on protein. Our bodies are not able to synthesize amino acids for protein synthesis from scratch, they must be obtained from the diet. If you do not eat sufficient protein, you will die. Strictly speaking, you could consume amino acids rather than protein, but I wouldn't guess that's what you mean. If you do not eat sufficient protein, you will die. Fortunately, it's unlikely to occur if you are consuming a variety of whole foods
Alex
Our projects:
in Portugal, sheltered terraces facing eastwards, high water table, uphill original forest of pines, oaks and chestnuts. 2000m2
in Iceland: converted flat lawn, compacted poor soil, cold, windy, humid climate, cold, short summer. 50m2
Paulo Bessa wrote:No need to discuss what is long known. You need plenty calories (starchy carbs and fruits sugars), complete protein sources (vegetarian combinations of pulses and cereals, eggs, diary, fish or meat), a minor amount of oils (meat, fish, vegetable oils or perhaps through some nuts and seeds) and a minor amount of minerals and vitamins (widely present in different fruits and veggies).
We don't need to argue about this.
Paulo Bessa wrote:The perennial (plant) fat is more challenging to grow, because other than nut trees, avocados, coconuts or olive oil, I can't think of a herbaceous or shrub perennial for fat, for temperate climates.
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Alex Brands wrote:
Paulo Bessa wrote:No need to discuss what is long known. You need plenty calories (starchy carbs and fruits sugars), complete protein sources (vegetarian combinations of pulses and cereals, eggs, diary, fish or meat), a minor amount of oils (meat, fish, vegetable oils or perhaps through some nuts and seeds) and a minor amount of minerals and vitamins (widely present in different fruits and veggies).
We don't need to argue about this.
I hope my post did not come across as argumentative, I was simply trying to point out an error in another post. I do think it worth pointing out something that is long known if someone seems to not be aware of it.
Alex
Our projects:
in Portugal, sheltered terraces facing eastwards, high water table, uphill original forest of pines, oaks and chestnuts. 2000m2
in Iceland: converted flat lawn, compacted poor soil, cold, windy, humid climate, cold, short summer. 50m2
Alex Brands wrote:
Paulo Bessa wrote:No need to discuss what is long known. You need plenty calories (starchy carbs and fruits sugars), complete protein sources (vegetarian combinations of pulses and cereals, eggs, diary, fish or meat), a minor amount of oils (meat, fish, vegetable oils or perhaps through some nuts and seeds) and a minor amount of minerals and vitamins (widely present in different fruits and veggies).
We don't need to argue about this.
I hope my post did not come across as argumentative, I was simply trying to point out an error in another post. I do think it worth pointing out something that is long known if someone seems to not be aware of it.
Alex
Lana White wrote:How about growing buckwheat?
Silverweed is a good perennial root crop and maybe you can grow yampa there. Evening primrose has edible roots. Biscuitroot, camas, balsamroot, prairie turnip, breadroot, edible lilies like daylilies, salsify...all might be grown there. Root crops don't usually mind colder weather, even cool summers.
Our projects:
in Portugal, sheltered terraces facing eastwards, high water table, uphill original forest of pines, oaks and chestnuts. 2000m2
in Iceland: converted flat lawn, compacted poor soil, cold, windy, humid climate, cold, short summer. 50m2
Idle dreamer
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