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Help with sudden dog bladder infection while on the road.

 
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We are on the road and 7 hours from home.  Our dog suddenly had the urge to rapidly urinate very frequently, almost constantly last night.  It is Labor Day and most offices are closed.  Does anyone have any idea whatsoever that might help this poor dog.  

Normally she sleeps perfectly calmly through the night, but last night we had to put her in her crate as she was acting terribly nervous (normally putting her in her crate calms her down).  When we took her out the inside of her crate was soaked!  We really need to get her treated ASAP and would appreciate any help.


I really, really appreciate any thoughts!

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Have you traveled with your dog before?  If this is something new to her that might be the problem.

I would not assume it is a bladder infection. There could be other problems.

Is your dog drinking a lot of water? If not, I would try to get some liquids into her.

I believe you really need to find a vet.  Call their night numbers until you find one that will see you.

I wish I could offer more suggestions.
 
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According to the book, "Herbs for Pets," by Gregory L. Tilford & Mary L. Wulff:

A Basic Formula for Urinary Infections and Stones*-

Make a strong tea or combine low-alcohol tinctures of the following ingredients. If possible, administer the formula on an empty stomach, and encourage your companion to drink plenty of water.

3 parts marshmallow root
1 part couch grass
1 part nettle
1 part echinacea
1 part Oregon grape

*This formula helps to soothe, lubricate, and reduce inflammation of urinary tract issues, thus helping with the elimination of stones. The echinacea and Oregon grape help to reduce or prevent infection.

For dogs, feed 1 teaspoon (5 milliliters) of the cooled tea, twice daily, for each 30 pounds of body weight.


some herbs listed as useful for urinary tract infections:

Anti-inflammatories-

Oregon grape


Antimicrobials-

echinacea
Oregon grape
marshmallow
pipsissewa
yarrow

Astringents-

plantain
pipsissewa
slippery elm

Demulcents-

marshmallow
plantain
slippery elm
ginko

Diuretics-

dandelion leaf (the strongest herbal diuretic available)
corn silk
pipsissewa
shepherd's purse

Immunotonics-

echinacea
astragalus
pipsissewa

Lymphatics-

cleavers


There is also mention of Apple cider vinegar to help balance the bacteria, cranberry mainly to prevent infection, as well as a few other herbs that could be useful.

Caution is advised as there may be other factors that need to be taken into account, so checking with your vet is always recommended.

Hope your fur buddy gets well soon!
 
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Anne,

Normally, Gracie (our dog) travels extremely well.  We put her kennel in the van, she eagerly jumps in and travels perfectly silently for hours.  She loves road trips.  She has been to this location many times before.  Yesterday she acted perfectly normally, but at about 2:00 am she started whining non-stop (she can get nervous).  We walked her and put her in her kennel and she kept whining.  At about 5:30 I let her out and that’s when I noticed her kennel was wet with urine.  She then spent the next 2 hours outside, peeing non-stop.  She seems to have calmed down a bit now

I did make an appointment with her vet, but that is at the end of a 7 hour trip.  We are prepping her kennel with rag-towels and we are getting some cranberry pills, for whatever that is worth.

I wish I had the time to make a tincture, but I don’t.  I don’t suppose anyone knows some OTC product that might help her woes?

Thanks Anne, and thanks everyone in advance.

Eric
 
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j brun said, "There is also mention of Apple cider vinegar to help balance the bacteria, cranberry mainly to prevent infection, as well as a few other herbs that could be useful.



Eric, since many places are closed, you might be able to find the apple cider vinegar and cranberries.  

I routinely give my dog about a teaspoon of Apple Cider vinegar daily with honey over food or in water.

I give her dried cranberries as a treat.  

Maybe there is a health food store open that might have the herbs mentioned.
 
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It's not reaction to stress and really an infection, you can try Oregano oil. Got to be sure it's in safe  for dogs concentration, so if you get one that's too strong can dilute it with cooking oil.
 
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Also, human OTC Cystex for UTI and urinary pain is based on Methenamine, which is apparently given to dogs too for uti, just got to be sure on the right dosage and research inactive ingredients to be sure they're dog-safe.
Human AZO/Phenazopyridine med is dangerous for dogs.
 
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If Gracie is still acting nervous, you can give her Benadryl which might calm her and help her sleep until you can get home.

Our dog is a 10 lb dog and I was giving her [1] 25mg tablet though I now give her 1/2 tablet twice a day.
 
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Thanks everyone!!

Ok, I can give a little positive update.  Gracie was a train wreck from 5:30 till 7:30-8:00.  No exaggerating, she would urinate—just a dribble—almost once a second.  It was basically nonstop.  She got some water as we suspected that she was dehydrated from panting heavily all night.  She continued to urinate—longer and less frequently—and actually sat down outside on her pillow and acted normally for a while (this was just about the time I made my first post on this thread).

She got a dog-bowel (I wish I knew a more precise measurement) of water, urinated some more, ate a cranberry pill and then wanted to jump into the van for the ride home.  We have been on the road and not heard a peep.  Her symptoms seem to be momentarily treated, but her condition certainly not cured.  I suspect that she was dehydrated which had the effect of concentrating whatever was in her bladder causing her distress.  She has an appointment with her normal vet at the end of this trip.

Thank you so much everyone!!!  I will keep you updated.

Eric
 
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The cranberry would be my go-to, as well. In fact, I add cranberries to Charlie's daily food, to keep her urinary tract healthy, and have been meaning to get some of them to dry & powder, for our first aid kits, so thank you for the reminder!
 
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Update:  at about 1:30 we stopped to stretch our legs and get a bite to eat.  Gracie had ridden perfectly well, silently as normal.  We got her out to walk and pee which she did at first, then it stopped but she seemed like she wanted to keep trying, almost as if her urinary tract was irritated.  We had no accidents, got her some water (she hadn’t had any water for 3 or so hours) and she got back in her kennel and is riding just fine again.  It is about 1:45 as I write this and we managed to get a 4:00 appointment  at her vet (we will almost certainly be late but they know it).  I have never had a dog with a bladder infection/UTI, nor have I had one for comparison.  Do these symptoms all still sound like a bladder infection/UTI?

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Eric Hanson wrote:Update:  at about 1:30 we stopped to stretch our legs and get a bite to eat.  Gracie had ridden perfectly well, silently as normal.  We got her out to walk and pee which she did at first, then it stopped but she seemed like she wanted to keep trying, almost as if her urinary tract was irritated.  We had no accidents, got her some water (she hadn’t had any water for 3 or so hours) and she got back in her kennel and is riding just fine again.  It is about 1:45 as I write this and we managed to get a 4:00 appointment  at her vet (we will almost certainly be late but they know it).  I have never had a dog with a bladder infection/UTI, nor have I had one for comparison.  Do these symptoms all still sound like a bladder infection/UTI?

Eric


I've not had a dog with a UTI, but I've had one and that definitely sounds like it. Needing to pee often, but only a bit at a time and with great difficulty and pain is quite typical. So painful. I feel for your pup. I'm sure the vet will be able to take care of it. They're not usually too hard to treat, but very important to treat quickly and thoroughly, so it doesn't spread to the kidneys. Someone above recommended marshmallow tea and I would second that to provide some comfort until whatever the vet gives you starts working. Very soothing to the urinary tract. Hope she's feeling better in no time! CBD might be helpful as well, since UTIs can be really painful and the constant peeing and it hurting/being hard is quite stressful.
 
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Thanks Heather.

I wish I could get her the tea but we are on the road and it just isn’t possible.  But thanks for helping me with Gracie nonetheless.

A big fear that I had about 2 hours ago was the thought that maybe she had a kidney stone.  It would explain her discomfort, the urinary symptoms and the fact that they just seemed to abruptly go away later this morning.  I have had kidney stones before so I know how awful they can be.  And I was starting to feel pretty guilty because I was getting annoyed with Gracie early this morning when she was whining nonstop.  I swear I would never want a person (or dog) to ever have a kidney stone and if she ever did I would want to comfort her, not get annoyed.

I realize that a bladder infection is no picnic but it strangely puts my mind at ease that her symptoms don’t suggest worse.

Thanks again,

Eric
 
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Update:  turns out Gracie’s urine screen was completely clear.  This ruled out bladder infection, UTI’s and kidney stones.

I am totally open to ideas now.

Eric
 
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I just saw this discussion.

If you dog had been presented to my veterinary clinic, the first thing we would check for is a urinary tract infection. Since your veterinarian has ruled this out, then there is a need to look further. The next thing we would investigate would be bladder stones. A simply X-ray would give an answer.

Since the onset was sudden and intense, that dismisses many other possible options. Your veterinarian may opt for additional testing if the problem continues. There are a few medical conditions that cause frequent urination.

Some of our clients who travel with their dogs in the car have reported similar incidences. My own dog had a similar problem when we took her on a long distance car trip from New Jersey to Colorado. She developed unitary in continuance with frequent urination and straining. She was a calm and experienced car rider, so nervousness wasn’t a factor.  We never could discover the cause, although I thought it might have been a toxicity issue irritating the neck of the bladder. It self-corrected after a few days. Perhaps it was something to do with a change in water? She ate her normal diet, but we got water along the way. When I returned home I gave her a complete work up, including X-rays. I never found the cause. On future road trips, we brought water along plus had gotten her acclimated to a particular common brand of bottled water.

I hope that all goes well for your dog. She’s obviously a special one!
 
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Thanks Su,

Yes, Gracie has been a very important member of our family for the last 10 years.  She is a wonderful, sweet, affectionate black lab mix that is just a wonderful pet.

I appreciate your input regarding past experience on similar issues.  We are stuck with more of a mystery now than ever.  We will be taking her to our regular vet (yesterday was a regular vet turned into a pet emergency room and it was crazy busy—after a 7 hour car drive we were in the exam room for 2.5 hours!!  It made for a long day for everyone).  Specifically we will do some blood work at the regular vet to see if anything else is amok.

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I would continue giving her the cranberry capsules.

I still recommend the apple cider vinegar and honey.

Unless your vet ruled against these.

 
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Thanks Anne,

She has another appointment tomorrow for more extensive testing.  She is mostly better today.

Eric
 
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Glad she's feeling better today. Hope the vet is able to find some answers and it's something easily remedied! I know cats can get what's called idiopathic cystitis, where they have bladder inflammation and act as if they have a UTI, but there's no infection. Stress and changes in environment are usually involved. I wonder if something similar can happen to dogs? You mention that normally, she doesn't have a problem with traveling. Was there anything different about this trip? Or perhaps, was there anything going on with you and her other humans? Dogs are so perceptive and sensitive to what is going on with their people, I could see that leading to her being more nervous. Or I could be way off and the nervousness could be due to her discomfort. Just a thought.

I'm sure you have already thought of this, but making sure she gets extra water would be good in the meantime.
 
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Thanks Heather,

Gracie is normally like a black hole of sound in the back of our van.  She goes in and does not make so much as a peep until getting out.  Her nervousness mostly revolves around loud sounds like a thunderclap or gunshot.  These things turn her into a nervous mess.  She pants, her legs shake, she paces relentlessly and is utterly inconsolable, a train wreck.  

As far as I can tell, she was perfectly fine Sunday afternoon/evening and into the night when we went to bed.  She got fed and watered normally and got walks as normal.  I saw absolutely nothing abnormal or even slightly different about her behavior until 12:00am-2:00am.  At 2:00 am (and apparently at midnight, but I didn’t hear), Gracie woke up, was nervous and needed attention.  She got a walk but went back to sleep.  At 2:00, she woke me, I walked her, but she never stopped panting and whining.  At 5:30 is when I realized that she had wet her kennel.

At this point we are all a bit mystified.  She definitely feels better this afternoon, and wasn’t even too eager to go outside when I got back from school.  I will update you tomorrow when I take her to the vet.

Thanks so much for caring,

Eric
 
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I hope it's something simple and easily remedied. Poor baby went through it!
 
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Any news?
 
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Thanks John, we actually finally got definitive results back yesterday (Friday), with her having this condition since early Monday morning.

She has a bladder infection.

While waiting at the vet office on Monday, we waited for a total of 3 hours—there was another emergency pet surgery that took precedence.  The staff needed Gracie to have a Urine sample, but due to her extremely rapid urination, she was empty.  On top of that, she was a bit nervous at the vet office and panted herself into som dehydration do the staff gave her a bowel of water which she practically inhaled.  20 minutes later they got the urine sample which appeared perfectly clear, probably because it was so diluted.

The next day we took her to the regular vet for more testing.  She got blood work and an ultrasound.  The ultrasound and blood work all looked great, which is wonderful considering she is a 10 year old dog.  That original urine sample was put under some more scrutiny, subjected to a microscope and cultures were grown.  Turns out she has a pretty substantial cluster of E. coli growing in her bladder.  She is now on a short course of antibiotics and probiotics.  She actually has practically no symptoms but we want to really knock that infection back and hopefully the probiotics will keep it knocked back.

So all in all it is pretty good news.  I just wish we could have started her treatment several days ago.

Thanks for asking,

Eric
 
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I thought I would put a face to Gracie’s name.  This is a picture of Gracie during a period of not terribly loud thunder.  She likes to bury herself when she panics.  My wife’s closet had been nice and organized till Gracie decided to tunnel through a bunch of folded clothes.

Enjoy!

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So glad to hear they figured it out and that Gracie is on the road to recovery! Hopefully it's given some relief to y'all too. Not knowing what's going on with the health of a loved one and what will help can be so stressful. She's adorable and obviously a very wonderful pup.

Have you ever tried Rescue Remedy for her? It can really help with situations that stress animals out, like thunderstorms, vet trips, etc. Though apparently she's got it covered with her own DIY weighted blanket, as pictured.
 
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Thanks Heather,

We actually occasionally use something similar to rescue remedy.  It comes in the form of chews.  If we can give her a chew 20-45 minutes ahead of a storm it can work well.  We just have to time the thunderstorms correctly!

And thanks for the well-wish.  She is a very special dog to us.  Thankfully she is feeling a lot better already and hopefully this is in the rear-view mirror soon.  After the anti-biotic is up, we will follow up with probiotics and continue with cranberry pills, at least for a while to encourage her immune system to not let the infection come back.

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Oh, so wonderful to get good news! What a SWEET face! Bless her ever-luvin' heart...
 
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Check out D-mannose. That is my go to as it soothes and is thought to help prevent bacteria from imbedding into the walls of the bladder. I would caution you to check out the safety of its use on dogs but it works beautifully for me.
 
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Posting for everyone's future reference

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My dog, Cindy Lou has had a few UTIs. The last time we did all the test you’re talking about and it was always clear. While waiting for the results, I went to the local feed and pet store to get a product that I’ve seen on Amazon that contained cranberries. While there, I noticed another product for pet incontinence by the same company. While it did not have as much cranberry extracts in it, it did have the best reviews and I’ve got to say it cured the problem. It is called NATURVET. Senior advanced incontinence. It has a variety of herbal products in it including cranberry extract. It’s a miracle in my opinion. To do with CBD oil. Make sure you don’t give it later in the day because, I’m not sure, but it may relax your dog to the point. They might have a potty accident because they’re so relax while they’re asleep.
 
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