Lisa Paulson wrote:
I found it interesting that that operation has been long established and not facing the same initial start up costs some are going to have to deal with and it is a very large scale comparably to most individuals endeavours here and yet they still have to explore things like the glamping because the farm revenues are marginal .
Julia Winter wrote:Glamping? I admit, I was trying to do paperwork while also listening to this lecture, so I missed this word. Are you referring to the agrotourism angle, with the cabin/tents?
paul wheaton wrote:When I visit a lot of places, it's kinda painful because they have a long ways to go to get to what i think is good. But these guys were most of the way there. The two suggestions I made were: more texture in the landscape (the land is too flat); move away from "orchard" and toward "food forest" (convert from 100 olive trees to 10 olive trees, plus 20 other species)
You're right. Orchards are monocrops.
paul wheaton wrote:Nature is going to try and take out a monocrop. It is nature's design. Orchards are monocrops.
You're right about that one too.
paul wheaton wrote:But if you take out 90% of the trees yourself, and fill the spaces with a variety of other species, then the remaining trees can have long vibrant lives with no care. In alignment with nature.
paul wheaton wrote:Granted - taking out a very old and productive tree is a painful thing. Probably the most painful thing to give advice about when a permaculture designer encounters an orchard. And most orchard owners will not do it. At the same time, at least if we project the message, then when there is a new field and somebody says "orchard!" hopefully somebody else will now say "how about a food forest instead?"
Because of the way that they are predator friendly, because they see the value of water, because they take a long-term approach to the land, because they use animals to do work instead of relying on petroleum products, because they don't pick fruit until it's ready, because they plant in such a way that each fruit ripens in succession, I found their way of doing things comfortable and was willing to stop at most of the way there instead of going through the last few painful steps.
paul wheaton wrote:When I visit a lot of places, it's kinda painful because they have a long ways to go to get to what i think is good. But these guys were most of the way there.