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How do you feel about live or artificial XMAS trees?

Ever since I was young and not eco-conscious, it always seemed ridiculous to me to cut down a tree, drag it into the house cover it in decorations and watch it die and throw it away.

I always encouraged my mom to buy small living trees in pots that we could plant in the spring...sometimes I got my wish.

As an adult I refused to be a part of that ,but did at the urging of partners get artificial trees.

Now I know about all the chemicals, toxins and waste involved in those.

In my home I always keep living plants, never artificial and I've always had at least one or two nice ficus trees, so for the last 20 years, they get a string of lights and maybe some decorations and those are the only XMAS trees I'll ever need.

I just read an article about how many live, cut XMAS trees are saturated with chemicals. Oh, and the industry is poorly regulated and the issues are barely studied.
 
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I never liked the concept of cutting the tree and disposing it. I don't like anything made of plastic - especially plants, so after reading this post I decided to decorate my compact strawberry tree in a pot. After all, being an evergreen, it seems to be better connected to a "tree of paradise" than some cold tolerant conifer.
 
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This is something permaculturally naughty that I'm not ready to give up.  Every year I have a tree, not fake, and every year I thoroughly enjoy myself with it, decorating it with lots of ornaments, some of which go back into my childhood, lights, this string of lights have lasted many years and hopefully many more, as we're careful with them.  We alternate evenings, one we have it on and one we have it off, as I also like the asthetic of seeing the ornaments when the lights aren't on, and it helps us not use as much electricity as friends with trees use.  My personal opinion is that fake trees are ugly and don't smell like trees.  Come early Jan. I either do tree recycle or I toss it in the forest nearby to decompose.

I get a lot of enjoyment out of the whole shabang admittedly, even if its not the best for the environment.
 
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Cristobal Cristo wrote:... so after reading this post I decided to decorate my compact strawberry tree in a pot.


Cristobal, that's brilliant -- and hilarious. All manner of plants have been festooned with colourful lights and holiday trappings -- and why not! Anything to push back on the longest night of the year!
 
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My Ohio family has been selling Christmas trees for 61 years. So I know a bit about them. And I know a lot about the many friends I have who also raise and sell trees. Christmas trees are one of the best crops a farmer can grow.

Just like in permaculture, it really helps to take a little broader perspective than just one tree, just one action. First of all, by growing a crop that sells quite well, farmers are able to afford to keep their farms, keep their land. It's tough to be a farmer. There is constant pressure to sell your land to developers. And food, feed, and animal prices are constantly at the whims of the market. But with Christmas trees, you have a very firm idea of how your crop will turn out, and usually you know what your costs and income will be, year to year. Trees add stability to farm planning. For the nursery folks I know, it means their farms can be passed down to the next generation. One of my friends I was talking with just yesterday said that their farm of 400+ acres has been in the family for nearly 200 years, and half of that time they have been growing Christmas trees. Without the trees, their land would have been sold long ago and the family moved to (maybe) Fiji. It's a 20+ million-dollar acreage, that they will never allow to be developed as long as they can meet the bills by selling their trees. Stories like theirs (and ours) means that there are huge benefits to local land development and use. More open fields and woods, fewer houses, benefits everyone.

But permaculturalists tend to look a little farther than just "is land open". It's also what happens to the land. By growing trees on often difficult to farm land, that land can grow a high paying crop where other crops might not fare so well. So again, trees can, and often do, help many farmers keep their land out of the hands of developers. But to the specifics of tree growing, every year Christmas trees shed a certain amount of needles. That builds fertile soil. Their roots pull up minerals and nutrients. Young trees also produce more oxygen when they are young than when they are older. When Christmas trees are cut at 6 to 10 or 12 ft. tall, other trees nearby are left standing. There is rarely any clear cutting. Usually just a constant replanting continuously year to year. Older, much larger trees that do not sell are eventually removed to be replaced by young trees. Sometimes the removed trees are burned and the ashes are spread as fertilizer, while on some nurseries the trees are ground into chips and again spread as fertilizer. Again, more soil, less cement, good.

As to the whole chemical spraying thing, Ohio rather heavily regulates spraying. Times are definitely getting better. There was a time 50 years ago when we all sprayed DTD like it was drinking water. More recently airplane spraying was used for applying less aggressive bug beaters. But farmers and nurserymen are not usually all that dumb. What has happened is that most of us now grow types of trees that don't require spraying. Years ago, scotch was the common tree. But they got saw flies and shoot moths. Few of those are grown now (I don't know where, but probably they are still around somewhere). Much more common these days are short needle firs, -around us, especially Canaan. It's true that some tree sellers like Walmart, Loews, and Home Depot sell "imported" trees. The big box guys care about price and profit. So they will buy trees from out of state. Guys will be hired in the slow part of tree season, sometimes Sept./Oct., so they can be paid less. Then those trees are sprayed with green coloring and various other things to give them the appearance of fresh cut in December. That just doesn't happen on small local operations. So go to your local growers, just like you go to local farm markets, and you won't have the problem of tainted, adulterated trees. Plus, many communities now collect the trees (ours does) when happy families are done with them. The towns pick up the trees and grind them to make chips or compost, which they then sell or give away free to local citizens. Win/win every step of the way.

I could go on a bit longer, but enough for now. I've thought about Christmas trees and their effect on the environment, for many years now. Years ago I started and ran Ohio's longest lasting, biggest, all volunteer recycling center. ~Long before recycling became a fashion. It is a subject very near and dear to my way of life and heart. And I can tell you that growing trees, for pretty much every reason, is a very good thing. You just have to look at the somewhat bigger picture.
 
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I agree with Jim Fry - know your supplier, shop locally!

I read Coppice Agroforestry: https://permies.com/wiki/203188/Coppice-Agroforestry-Tending-Trees-Product
It's well worth a read. He mentions that there are people doing a coppicing-like Christmas tree approach which involves the base tree staying alive (it doesn't work the same with conifers as it does with deciduous trees, but you'd have to read that section of the book as I didn't fully understand it as I'm not knowledgeable in that area. The farms described are planting polycultures and support for the trees.

However, I also back Christobal. A friend has an indoor "small tree" that likes warmer weather than our winters and she decorates it with Christmas lights and a few ornaments.
 
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We always do the cut tree in this house. Ever since I got into making biochar, that has been the fate of the trees after twelfth night...they get cut up and go into the next burn. Our "permie points" have gone up the past couple of years thanks to a friend who has wilding pines coming up on his farm and wants them gone. So we didn't even have to go to the commercial growers (some of whom use nasty stuff instead of mowing the grass around the trees).
 
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