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AI and ancient Rome

 
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I am not 100% sure, but I think I watched a series of AI slides on Ancient Rome.  In one of the sides a Roman soldier had binoculars.
 
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Gotta follow Abe's advice.


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It’s strange! Since AI, I am seeing more and more of those images of people in artwork or old photographs with their faces contorted in extreme emotions. Is this the modern aesthetic?
 
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I heard a tale recently about a governance board meeting that was almost entirely consumed with damage control after the administrative person used a prominent flavour of "AI" to take notes in a meeting with a major stakeholder, then did the things he thought he was supposed to do according to the generated meeting minutes. Turned out they were the wrong things, not at all what was agreed in the meeting, and the client was deeply unhappy -- to the point of withdrawing their support and financial membership in the organisation. So the board members had to sort out all of that and figure out how to make it right: own the screwup, apologise, and come up with a process for making sure it wouldn't happen again. And there was no guarantee that this would get the aggrieved party back on side.

A costly lesson. Kids, just say no to weaponised bullshit generators. All they do is wreck things in more spectacular ways.
 
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I recently had an online meeting, where we decided to let Zoom record and make a transcript, then ran it through AI to get a summary. It entirely ignored the presençe of two participants (and we each gave 10 minute powerpoints, so there were definitely things to report) and minimized about half of the content. Spent a lot of time on the number of "uhms" I said, to the detriment of actual real contributions.
Clients who use AI are starting to realize that "saving money with AI" is a dangerous game.
 
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Maieshe Ljin wrote:It’s strange! Since AI, I am seeing more and more of those images of people in artwork or old photographs with their faces contorted in extreme emotions. Is this the modern aesthetic?


You remember the old adage, garbage in, garbage out. AI is scraping a lot of memes and crap (technical term) from social media. Has a hard time with subtlety. I have been seeing a lot of posts recently from artists where they find an AI copy of their work and they point out exactly where the AI flopped- particularly in flat, overexaggerated expressions.
 
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You remember the old adage, garbage in, garbage out. AI is scraping a lot of memes and crap (technical term) from social media. Has a hard time with subtlety. I have been seeing a lot of posts recently from artists where they find an AI copy of their work and they point out exactly where the AI flopped- particularly in flat, overexaggerated expressions.



If I remember correctly they used to be used mostly in depictions of the Inferno.
 
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Crazy!  All the more reason we need to get better at teaching children critical thinking skills haha.
 
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Riona Abhainn wrote:Crazy!  All the more reason we need to get better at teaching children critical thinking skills haha.



I'm telling them that the Roman Empire fell because they outsourced all their important decision-making to LLMs.
 
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My feelings on most of the AI usage today.
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i have lost the link, but there was a rant on LinkedIn a few weeks ago about AI writing that notably compared it to a sex toy. It may seem like a brilliant idea at first, but ultimately it lacks what really counts.
 
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