• Post Reply Bookmark Topic Watch Topic
  • New Topic
permaculture forums growies critters building homesteading energy monies kitchen purity ungarbage community wilderness fiber arts art permaculture artisans regional education skip experiences global resources cider press projects digital market permies.com pie forums private forums all forums
this forum made possible by our volunteer staff, including ...
master stewards:
  • Carla Burke
  • John F Dean
  • Timothy Norton
  • Nancy Reading
  • r ranson
  • Jay Angler
  • Pearl Sutton
stewards:
  • paul wheaton
  • Tereza Okava
  • AndrĂ©s Bernal
master gardeners:
  • Christopher Weeks
gardeners:
  • Jeremy VanGelder
  • M Ljin
  • Matt McSpadden

the willow feeder movie for apartment dwellers

 
author and steward
Posts: 55389
Location: missoula, montana (zone 4)
hugelkultur trees chicken wofati bee woodworking
  • Likes 12
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
    Number of slices to send:
    Optional 'thank-you' note:
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator
This path is packed with information for people living in apartments.  

80% of the task at hand is to:  

- understand the problem
- make a few dozen tiny changes in how you live
    - only if it adds luxury and/or money to your life

You don't need a willow tree or a yard.  You don't need to build anything.  All you need is a tiny bit of real estate in your head.

I think it is easy to understand that when you use dish soap, it ends up in the river, and, eventually, in the ocean.  And that is a problem.

Over the next year, you can explore a few dozen ways to reduce your use of soap - thus saving you money and adding luxury to your life while simultaneously reducing the amount of toxins in rivers and oceans.  



A slow consideration of different cleaners and products you use.  Laundry.  Shampoo.  

Garbage going down the drain is an easy problem to solve. I think it is likely that nobody reading this is currently putting any garbage down the drain.

Contemplate ways that might reduce water usage while simultaneously adding luxury to your life.  For me, going pooless has turned out to be one of the best things I have ever done.  My hair is happier and I save several minutes a day.  And that time savings equates to saving water - so I save money and put less water down the drain.  If I were to pour a bottle of the best shampoo into the river, I feel certain that that is not good for the river.  Millions of people have tried it.  It could be worth trying

  https://permies.com/wiki/pooless

In a few years, your overall quality of life may be remarkably better while having eliminated 99% of the toxins going down your drain.  Along the way, you have some vague understanding of how a willow feeder works.  If you ever move out of an apartment, it could be worth trying - an easy transition.



please support my willow feeder kickstarter

https://permies.com/wiki/287110/Cleaning-Rivers-Oceans-Home-willow
 
Posts: 20
Location: USA N.FL
6
4
  • Likes 3
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
    Number of slices to send:
    Optional 'thank-you' note:
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator
Paul,
My suggestion would be to put an attention grabber at the start of the piece.  I'm not good at such things but something like  
"You are an apartment dweller - Why do you care?
You don't have a yard much less a willow tree and even if you did, the landlord won't let you change the paint in the bathroom, much less the toilet  !!!"
"But, you are interested in your health and the health of your family, friends, and neighbors.  There are things you can do !!! "

You've said the message really well but you forgot the introduction.  
 
Posts: 7
Location: North ID, United States
4
7
  • Likes 4
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
    Number of slices to send:
    Optional 'thank-you' note:
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator
Definitely agree on the attention grabber - maybe something link "Your Apartment, Your Wallet, Our Planet: Smart Choices for a Better Life"

I say wallet because when we're talking about apartment dwellers I'm thinking about the bell curve of inhabitants and their socio-economic condition (I know where I was when I lived in them). Saving the planet didn't resonate the same way saving time and money did.

Maybe list of the top 10 (clickbait) most impactful micro-changes a person could make, with an appeal to share their experiences in forum where others are doing so (shameless permies.com/forum plug), and then of course

"From apartment to Farming Homestead: How I SKIP'd my next apartment and home rentals and entered Home Ownership by..." [Food Prep Badge bb's, Greywater adapted for Apt. dwellers bb, Natural medicine bb's, Plumbing bb's, etc.]
 
gardener
Posts: 1593
Location: Proebstel, Washington, USDA Zone 6B
989
3
wheelbarrows and trailers kids trees earthworks woodworking
  • Likes 6
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
    Number of slices to send:
    Optional 'thank-you' note:
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator
Learning how to clean with edible cleaners is a big step towards reducing the toxins that go down your drain. And anyone can do it, whether you live in an apartment, or RV, or tent, or teepee, or igloo... And Raven wrote a book on exactly that subject: Clean With Cleaners You Can Eat
 
Apprentice Rocket Scientist
Posts: 1033
Location: 4a, high mountain dessert
508
4
kids foraging rabbit fiber arts medical herbs bee
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
    Number of slices to send:
    Optional 'thank-you' note:
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator
How about a lost of water-saving practices?
Or greywater uses for apartment dwellers?
 
Posts: 5
Location: Vermont, Zone 4
4
6
foraging bike medical herbs
  • Likes 3
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
    Number of slices to send:
    Optional 'thank-you' note:
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator
Another possible headline/opener: How Apartment Dwellers Can Help Our Waterways

As a former apartment-dweller, I would click!
 
Posts: 34
6
8
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
    Number of slices to send:
    Optional 'thank-you' note:
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator
If it were possible to design a new apartment building or large multifamily house that used willow feeders or composting toilets or such, and make it sufficiently idiot-proof, that would be interesting. All I can think of is a chute parallel to a garbage chute (poop chute?) for dumping 5 gallon buckets into and hauling big bins our to farmers who'd age it into free high-grade fertilizer. Keep a bin of sawdust for residents to draw from. That seems unlikely to work out well?
 
paul wheaton
author and steward
Posts: 55389
Location: missoula, montana (zone 4)
hugelkultur trees chicken wofati bee woodworking
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
    Number of slices to send:
    Optional 'thank-you' note:
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator

Karuna Ash wrote:Another possible headline/opener: How Apartment Dwellers Can Help Our Waterways

As a former apartment-dweller, I would click!



Here is my new try for this:



How Apartment Dwellers Can Help Our Waterways and Themselves

- reduce the toxicity involving
     o laundry 95%
     o washing dishes 95%
     o shower 100%
     o bathroom sink 95%
     o general cleaning 95%

Along the way, these same changes will improve your health, longevity and give you a bonus 30 IQ points. Oh! And save big money.

I think it will be a breeze to cut your toxicity by 95% pretty much overnight.  After a few months of that, you can begin to contemplate the next steps.  In a year or two, you might be ready to get your head wrapped around a willow feeder - why it exists and how it generally works.  Kinda like how there is space in your brain for why a nuclear reactor exists and how it generally works - even though you will never build one.

I am so glad that so many of you watched the chemerical movie - would you agree that the mom in that movie gained 30 IQ points?  A step beyond that is Raven Ranson's book "Clean With Cleanters You Can Eat"

https://permies.com/wiki/edible-clean
https://permies.com/wiki/chemerical

Shower:   for 15 years I have taken a "pure water" shower every day.  Zero shampoo or soap (aka "poo-less").  I cannot imagine ever going back.  The poo-less thread at permies is ten pages long, featuring people talking about trying it.  It has 310,681 views - one of our most popular threads!  

https://permies.com/wiki/pooless

The willow feeder movie and ebook are all about this path to toxin reduction.  This is why the project is called "Cleaning our Rivers and Oceans from Home".

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/paulwheaton/willow-feeders?ref=9qujgl


 
steward & manure connoisseur
Posts: 4486
Location: South of Capricorn
2466
dog rabbit urban cooking writing homestead ungarbage
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
    Number of slices to send:
    Optional 'thank-you' note:
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator

paul wheaton wrote:

Here is my new try for this:



How Apartment Dwellers Can Help Our Waterways and Themselves

- reduce the toxicity involving
     o laundry 95%
     o washing dishes 95%
     o shower 100%
     o bathroom sink 95%
     o general cleaning 95%

Along the way, these same changes will improve your health, longevity and give you a bonus 30 IQ points. Oh! And save big money.

I think it will be a breeze to cut your toxicity by 95% pretty much overnight.  After a few months of that, you can begin to contemplate the next steps.  In a year or two, you might be ready to get your head wrapped around a willow feeder - why it exists and how it generally works.  Kinda like how there is space in your brain for why a nuclear reactor exists and how it generally works - even though you will never build one.

I am so glad that so many of you watched the chemerical movie - would you agree that the mom in that movie gained 30 IQ points?  A step beyond that is Raven Ranson's book "Clean With Cleanters You Can Eat"

https://permies.com/wiki/edible-clean
https://permies.com/wiki/chemerical

Shower:   for 15 years I have taken a "pure water" shower every day.  Zero shampoo or soap (aka "poo-less").  I cannot imagine ever going back.  The poo-less thread at permies is ten pages long, featuring people talking about trying it.  It has 310,681 views - one of our most popular threads!  

https://permies.com/wiki/pooless

The willow feeder movie and ebook are all about this path to toxin reduction.  This is why the project is called "Cleaning our Rivers and Oceans from Home".

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/paulwheaton/willow-feeders?ref=9qujgl



I love this. I think this addresses pretty much all the comments we've seen so far.
 
Yeast devil! Back to the oven that baked you! And take this tiny ad too:
A book about luxuriant recipes for green living
https://greenlivingbook.com/
reply
    Bookmark Topic Watch Topic
  • New Topic