Patreon

Hey Paul,

Dobn't know if you've heard of http://www.patreon.com/


As you are a pretty strong content creator, be it youtube vids, articles, or podcasts I think you may be very interested in this format.

It allows those who support you and value your work to offer donations. Think of it like an ongoing kickstarter. Patrons sign up and offer a donation at a rate that they choose at a frequency that is based upon your content creation.

So for example, for every Video, Article, Podcast you release you'd be paid by your patrons. This doesn't necessarily create a paywall for your content it just lets people donate directly to you and help support the work you do.

Imagine if your dailyish email subscribers where patrons at Patreon. It would offer a way to let people get discounts on workshops and DVDs and things based upon their donation level. You could also make higher donation levels that let people talk directly to you or whatever else you can imagine as a valuable offer in exchange for their bigger donations. Early access to videos and other content, extended interview podcasts, special patron only questionnaire podcasts etc etc.

Thought it would be worth looking into.
Cheers,
Elia

I have been using patreon since I got to the Ant Village here at Wheaton Labs. I make a video journal of my experience here and my patrons donate anywhere from 1 to 23 dollars a video. It has been a great resource for supplementing my income while I work on my Ant plot, and I'm trying to get my donations up to the level where I can make a living off of creating awesome videos and inspiring others. The best part about it, for me, is that patreon.com is helping to create and economy where artists and creative people can have a living income based upon the generosity of a community of folks who simply like what is being created.

My Patreon page is here: patreon.com/jessegrimes

I was inspired to become a patreon creator by my sister Chelsea, who has been using the site for a couple years now. Her page can be found here: patreon.com/chelseamaewesley

When I first saw this thread, back when it was first posted, I left it open on my desktop to respond to it. Shit happened and I lost track.

The important thing is that the idea got stuck sideways in my head and I was struggling to figure out what to do about it or what to say. Later, patreon was brought up again and I took the time to figure it out and figure out to say what was in me: https://permies.com/forums/posts/list/32640#313558

In that post, I encouraged people to send funds to the gappers instead of me. Now, I would encourage people to support the ants instead of me.

Some days I think it would be wise for me to set up a patreon account. Other days it feels like if I do, I might get a sense of obligation - and I do have a powerful sense of "obligation is poison."

On the other hand, maybe I would then have a budget to get stuff done like putting up new videos and new podcasts. I could pay somebody to do the parts I end up not doing. Or, at the very least, making sure that stuff I want to see exist actually ends up existing.

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For now, I heartily suggest that folks support ants like Jesse.

I am trying to nurture ants and gappers to have a patreon account. But it is hard for me to give them advice when there are so many things about patreon that I don't understand myself. So I cobbled together an account.

I do feel a bit like if I were getting $100 per new video or per new podcast, I might start cranking them out more often. I really like the idea of getting back to making podcasts and videos - but feel like I HAVE TO work hard to come up with the money to get projects to move forward while paying gappers and ants for projects - so they have some cash flow. I suppose if this patreon account starts to add up to something significant, then I can do the stuff that I like doing, plus bring in fundage for projects. The whole shebang!

Okay, here is my first attempt. I hope to polish this more as I learn more about it.

http://patreon.com/paulwheaton

(I just made a list. There are over a dozen people that depend on me to pay them for stuff month-to-month. Everything is on a shoestring - but I do think that me and all these people are getting some epic shit done)

Here are some youtube videos that I wanna put out soon:

- cowgirl coffee
- haybox cooker
- junkpole fence
- what is a wofati
- a very short video about pebble style rmh
- a video about some bees at jacqueline's place (in her wall and in the stump)
- a video about ant village
- skiddable structures

Here are some podcasts that I wanna put out:

- summer summary. I have oodles of notes about stuff we got done this summer. It will probably take eight podcasts to finish
- ants and ant village (we recorded it once and the file got corrupted)
- building roundwood furniture and skiddable structures
- review of bart's video on natural plasters
- review of mark's book
- review of sepp's latest book

Here are some articles I wanna write:

- pooless
- willow bank


I actaully have about 200 more vids, pods and articles I wanna do, but this is the stuff at the top of the list.

This would be a great time for folks to give me and jesse suggestions on how to do a good patreon account.

Hi Paul,

I'd not seen Patreon before. As a Patreon novice my immediate question was "how does this website work?" so looked for an FAQ. It is helpfully called "help center" which sounds rather more like a support desk than a "This is what this whole website thing is about" page.

Personally I'd feel happier pledging monthly than per item, because the per item thing appears to have no upper cap until you cancel your subscription. What happens if Mr Paul W publishes 30 videos in a month where he previously published just 1? If pledging per item I think it would be good to have an indication as to quality... are we talking a 1 minute youtube video? or 30 minutes of in-depth info? It currently seems rather nebulous.

What I really do like about it is the recurring payment model - it really does let you work knowing you have regular semi-passive income. It also gives you another angle to push to maximise your forward velocity; you have a pretty big support group here of people who would likely be happy to give you a dollar month to keep everything moving.

So currently, I'm interested by on the shelf watching what happens here.

Mike

Michael Cox wrote:Personally I'd feel happier pledging monthly than per item, because the per item thing appears to have no upper cap until you cancel your subscription. What happens if Mr Paul W publishes 30 videos in a month where he previously published just 1? If pledging per item I think it would be good to have an indication as to quality... are we talking a 1 minute youtube video? or 30 minutes of in-depth info? It currently seems rather nebulous.

I've always favored the monthly option myself, but for a different reason. There is in fact a cap that you can set on how many videos you pay for. When you pledge, you also note a maximum per month amount. The reason I prefer monthly is that this cap isn't visible to the artist/author/creator. It means that when they go to produce content, there is a diminishing return for each new production. The first item per month produces exactly what they see, but each subsequent item pays less and less since people will invariably opt out at different points of maximum per month.

Fred and Evan have both posted oodles of pictures here. I think they could get some sort of patreon account.

Patreon pays per _______ (fill in the blank). You can do "per month" but that seems to pay even if you do nothing - which, I don't know about them, but I just cannot do that for my patreon account. I don't want the poison of obligation.

For their pictures and updates, I wonder if you can do something that is like $0.05 per update? So maybe fifty people will put up an average of ten cents per update. Evan puts out seven updates per week (although his camera stuff is currently broken, so he is a bit behind). So that would work out to about $35 per week that he posts every day and ZERO if he does not. Further, it could grow to be something like $50 per update - so he will be inspired to post those pics EVERY day and he might be able to buy some gear that is a bit more reliable.

Michael Cox wrote:Personally I'd feel happier pledging monthly than per item, because the per item thing appears to have no upper cap until you cancel your subscription. What happens if Mr Paul W publishes 30 videos in a month where he previously published just 1?

My understanding is that people can pledge something like $5 per thing-a-ma-bob and then put a limit of, say, $20 per month.

As I was watching jesse's page, it seems that at the beginning of the month, he gets more per video than at the end of the month.

I'd feel happier pledging monthly than per item

I suppose that is awesome for some folks. It would be absolute poison for me and I would shut the whole thing down. If people paid for a month and I didn't produce anything, that would rot my soul.

On the other hand, if there is, say, $200 out there and if I put a new video out, I can harvest that $200 - then I very much like that.

In fact, I like the idea where I could list 100 different videos, podcasts, articles, books, dvds and whatnot that DON'T exist. And then I can go take a look and see that for a lot of stuff people have pledged $20 or $50 (total between all pledgers). And then there might be something like "chicken book" that has a $25,000 bounty on it. Then I think I will put the work into the chicken book. And then say "okay, the book is ready to go to the printers. pay me and I'll print it and send you a copy."

Then, if there are 99 other items with dollar figures on them, I can choose what I might want to work on next. Or work on none of them. There is no obligation.

But, that feature appears to not exists. But I can wish for stuff to exist.

Looking at the current iteration, I would probably make a few suggestions. First and most important, I would say you should approach it as a venture where the person seeing that page is finding out about you for the first time. I first discovered you through a video of one of your talks. I learned a lot of what you were about there and decided to check out the site. I would say that you want this to work the same way. It should have enough about what you do to pique interest and include back links to richsoil and permies rather than just mentioning them.

In truth, it is hard for me to really describe how I would reword it and expand on it without actually doing so. I'd rather not step on your toes by doing that, so hopefully I can convey some of the important aspects. I suppose another component I would make sure to note there are goals. Checking the page, it isn't showing me your goals with the money, though you have mentioned them in this thread. Avoiding obligation, I would word the goals pretty clearly as being your own personal goals rather than expectations you have to live up to. IE: $100 per item would mean you are more readily able to focus on smaller projects like your videos and articles instead of having to focus on larger kickstarter campaigns to cover the bills. Kickstarter could instead be used with items like the chicken book example you've made.

Many of the goals on my own Patreon page relate to bills associated with my writing, so reaching those goals doesn't really obligate me to do more than I do, but does make it clear that by lowering the amount of hours I have to work at a day job, my production will go up by default. I'd probably make it clearer exactly what constitutes an 'artifact'. As you mention in this thread, for some people pictures might be something, but I imagine you are wanting to be clear that it is slightly larger such as the articles and videos you mentioned. With a clearer view of exactly what constitutes an artifact, people are more likely to pledge I believe.

The goal stuff feels a bit like an obligation. So if I were to say that if I hit $10,000 then I will build a freezer wofati, then I would worry about the obligation of building it - even if I already spent all that money on other stuff.

On the other hand, if there was a list of projects and people listed out that they would put up $5 for a freezer wofati (with video), $10 for an 100 page ebook on hugelkultur, $1 for a youtube video about chickens, etc. Then the idea is that all those smaller amounts might add up over the years. And then there might be $10,000 waiting on me if I create a freezer wofati and make a video. So then I build the freezer wofati and make the video, and put the video up and collect the $10,000!

How would you feel about monthly donations simply to "further the empire" with a clear statement that nothing is expected back other than that the funds go into general pot for funding projects? That could be paid out as a bounty for ants, or in buying tools etc... You could make a monthly-ish update post letting supporters know where the funds went. For example if I pledged $5 per month I wouldn't expect a "product" back, but I might like to know that a collected pot of $300 was spent on bounties for the ants that month. And perhaps a brief note of what the bounties were.

Michael Cox wrote:How would you feel about monthly donations simply to "further the empire" with a clear statement that nothing is expected back other than that the funds go into general pot for funding projects?

I suppose that that is possible.

And I suppose that the feedback on where the funds went would be relatively covered in all the stuff posted in the wheaton labs forum.

Michael Cox wrote:How would you feel about monthly donations simply to "further the empire" with a clear statement that nothing is expected back other than that the funds go into general pot for funding projects? That could be paid out as a bounty for ants, or in buying tools etc... You could make a monthly-ish update post letting supporters know where the funds went. For example if I pledged $5 per month I wouldn't expect a "product" back, but I might like to know that a collected pot of $300 was spent on bounties for the ants that month. And perhaps a brief note of what the bounties were.

This is sort of what I meant. Like one goal might be some set number of dollars you know it takes to regularly cover bounties, then noting only that when you make that amount per month, patrons have the satisfaction of knowing that they are helping to further that particular cause.

So now I know what happens when I get a patron. I do receive an email.

And that patron votes for "videos"

you could also try http://www.boostapal.com/ it's an online shopping thing, but instead of ad companies getting te revenue, you do, when the shoppers set up an account for it. good luck!

paul wheaton wrote:The goal stuff feels a bit like an obligation. So if I were to say that if I hit $10,000 then I will build a freezer wofati, then I would worry about the obligation of building it - even if I already spent all that money on other stuff.

The goals are monthly goals. If you hit $10k/month, I think you're doing pretty awesome. They're just pledges on your part with no obligation. You don't have to have them.

On the other hand, if there was a list of projects and people listed out that they would put up $5 for a freezer wofati (with video), $10 for an 100 page ebook on hugelkultur, $1 for a youtube video about chickens, etc. Then the idea is that all those smaller amounts might add up over the years. And then there might be $10,000 waiting on me if I create a freezer wofati and make a video. So then I build the freezer wofati and make the video, and put the video up and collect the $10,000!

I like what you've done with the different "rewards" so people can indicate what they like. I don't think you should make it any more complicated than that. People like me will support you for all the awesome things you do. Just keep doing more in whatever order you want.

You should write a description for your Patreon much like you do for Kickstarters, but instead of having one goal, just showcase all the things you do with lots of links and pictures. Having an introduction video is a good idea.

You asked for feedback on Patreon, so here it is:

You may find Patreon convenient, but I feel a creepy shiver when I contemplate giving someone the key to my bank account and authorizing them to dip in at random intervals. Many people do it; maybe they have enough money they don't have to keep track of the balance, but for me this can never be. I'd rather authorize each transaction, even if it costs more, and sleep better at night.

Still a fan
Hal Hurst

Hal,

My understanding is that you can say that you will put in $1.00 per artifact and a maximum of $3 per month. So it is then something that is a bit less open ended.

I agree with you that I don't care for that direct access to my money-bits. And yet it is exactly what I do with netflix, my server bills and a few other things.

I wish to return to my original point: I am attempting to learn about how patreon works - mostly so that I can tell others about it. Currently Jesse gets something like $110 per video. It kinda seems like the more video he makes, the more he gets per video!

And then I am riddled with questions: if Jesse puts out two videos per week, does he get less per video at the end of the month than at the beginning of the month due to people putting in monthly caps? Is it reflected in what the patreon page says? If he were to put a "thanks" in the video to the supporting patrons, is there a handy report? Would such a report reflect that some people will not be contributing to this video because they have already hit their monthly cap?


Here is another question: I wonder if it is possible for somebody to put in something like ten cents per artifact? Anybody know?

I am going to re-express what I wish for. Because sometimes when you wish for things, it actually comes true.


I wish that I could make a big list of projects that I would be interested in creating. Maybe 200 different things. Some would be youtube videos and some would be books or dvds or ... something.

As the months pass, I could expand each of them to have rewards - kinda like a kickstarter. I could even mark them as the ones that are more or less likely to happen. Maybe each project could have something like a forum where people could discuss the projects and enhance them. Maybe some people want the artifacts, and some people want to be involved in the project.

But the key is that the pledges sit there until the project is pretty much complete.

So, kinda like a kickstarter, but rather than the creator specifying an amount of money and a timeframe (usually 30 days), the whole thing just sits there until the creator feels like the amount is high enough, and there is now enough work already done that collecting that money will ensure the success of the project. I suppose some creators will want to collect the funds early. But I would want to collect the funds at about the time that the project is ready for print.

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I like the idea that after doing this for several years, some projects have grown to, maybe, $10,000! And I think that I might be able to do that in a week or two. Maybe there will be a project that has $100,000 on it, but I still don't wanna. And then there are some that only have $500 - but I'm jazzed about doing that.

The key is that I am never under any obligation to do any of it.

Paul - you might also consider "outsourcing" the creating. I'm thinking much as Cassie is doing many of the dailyish emails. If you want a video on the wofatis for example you could give a bounty to one of the ants to do the shooting and editing, then publish it under your patreon. You are still responsible getting it out there and driving it forward, but are not necessarily doing all the nitty gritty.

Michael Cox wrote:Paul - you might also consider "outsourcing" the creating. I'm thinking much as Cassie is doing many of the dailyish emails. If you want a video on the wofatis for example you could give a bounty to one of the ants to do the shooting and editing, then publish it under your patreon. You are still responsible getting it out there and driving it forward, but are not necessarily doing all the nitty gritty.

I think this is an excellent idea.

Michael Cox wrote:Paul - you might also consider "outsourcing" the creating. I'm thinking much as Cassie is doing many of the dailyish emails. If you want a video on the wofatis for example you could give a bounty to one of the ants to do the shooting and editing, then publish it under your patreon. You are still responsible getting it out there and driving it forward, but are not necessarily doing all the nitty gritty.

I have attempted things down this path and have mixed results.

I think the thing to do is to hire 20 people per month and fire 19.9 people per month. After five years of this I will have a good team and can take on much more stuff.

paul wheaton wrote:
I think the thing to do is to hire 20 people per month and fire 19.9 people per month. After five years of this I will have a good team and can take on much more stuff.

I've been the .1 for 17 months now! VICTORY IS MINE!

That makes me like, more than one full person, right?

paul wheaton wrote:

Michael Cox wrote:Paul - you might also consider "outsourcing" the creating. I'm thinking much as Cassie is doing many of the dailyish emails. If you want a video on the wofatis for example you could give a bounty to one of the ants to do the shooting and editing, then publish it under your patreon. You are still responsible getting it out there and driving it forward, but are not necessarily doing all the nitty gritty.

I have attempted things down this path and have mixed results.

I think the thing to do is to hire 20 people per month and fire 19.9 people per month. After five years of this I will have a good team and can take on much more stuff.

My offer still stands to edit videos, just let me know.

isn't there some html5 and/or plug ins you could easily conjure to set up subscriptions, one time gifts, (WordPress has such plug ins) and maybe even pledges in your own sites? it would seem all it would take is some coding knowhow... good to brainstorm and know exactly what you want first. I would consider it best to be in control.. sorry I bet you've considered this extensively I just haven't seen any mention of it and I'm kind of surprised you depend on scrubbly when it takes a percentage... unless you own that too

I suppose there might be a time that I will tell the world about my patreon stuff. But for now I'm just trying to understand it a bit better.

Has anyone tried to support a patreon account with something like ten cents?

I just tried to support Jesse for a dime per video. It wouldn't let me do anything less than a dollar.

I have now visited more than a dozen crowdfunding sites, only to learn that none of them do what I want them to do.

In the vein of saying what I want out loud sometimes turns into results, I hereby submit the things that I want from a crowfunding site:

222: creators can list ideas for future projects and supporters can pledge how much they would like to see that exist. Eventually, such a project might grow to the point that rewards are defined and the whole things becomes something of a kickstarter. But the kickstarter just keeps going and going and going until the creator pushes the button to say "I will do it!" - at which point the pledges are turned into money and sent to the creator. This might be at the beginning of the process or near the end of the process - creator's choice. The creator might even say something like "I am currently working on it, but I'm not going to take the money until I am ready to take it to the printer."

223: For some projects, creators might take $50 to make a youtube video, or a million dollars to create some massive project. Maybe $20,000 to write a book, or $100,000 to make a DVD. Some projects might be put out to be free to the world, or some projects might be only for people that supported the project.

224: Currently, it seems like most fundraising sites set the minimum to $1.00. I think it would be cool to set the minimum to a nickel. After all, a good blog post or a short youtube video might not be worth anything close to a dollar. But that could be the very thing that people people would be willing to put a nickel toward. I've done kickstsarters in the past that had 2000 supporters at a dollar or more. If I could lower that to a nickel and the reward would be a fifteen minute youtube video, maybe there would have been 20,000 people putting in a nickel plus the 2000 that put in a dollar or more. 20,000 people at a nickel is $1000.

225: A further aspect of the site could be projects without creators. People could create a project that they would like to see exist, but they don't have the ability to create it. They could then describe it, post images, set up rewards .... a crowd of dreamers could set up a crowdfunding page in the hopes that some day somebody will come along and create it and collect those funds.

226: Followers of a creator could create projects that they hope that that creator might like to try. That creator might put a big red X on it, or they might move the idea into their collection of the possible future projects.

227: Support for paypal, feeless-paypal, dwolla and bitcoin would be nice. So the possibility of transferring funds without taking the credit card hit would be good. For the micro payments, it would be good to have "an account" that could hold funds.

228: Currently, kickstarter and similar stuff takes about 5%. There are a few that apparently take nothing. But it would be cool to see something that undercuts kickstarter and takes only, say, 2%.

whattya think it the amount you'd need to get for each artifact to make it worth actually putting out that artifact. for example, right now it's at $17, you could maybe whip up a short video in an hour (with the tooonnnns of footage you already have) and that'd be 17 bucks for an hour of your time. just thoughts.

Cassie Langstraat wrote:whattya think it the amount you'd need to get for each artifact to make it worth actually putting out that artifact.

Today I need to devote most of the day to working on the new rmh 4-dvd set. I just gotta meet that obligation. Gotta. And I am wishing that the kickstarter money for that was not already in my pocket, but sitting at kickstarter saying "if you build it, you get this pile of moolah."

At the same time I am constantly scrambling for ways to improve our income streams to set up projects for ants and gappers so they can make some coin, plus we have projects get complete - thus there are things to video.

I wonder if a year or two from now if that might be at something like $1000 per video. Wow - that's POWERFULLY PERSUASIVE! I think at that point I probably will just make those videos.

A bit of an aside, but the main reason you don't find sites that allow you to donate/pay less than a dollar is due to the cost of managing/sending dollars (even though they are electronic and it really shouldn't cost hardly anything). Its due IMHO mostly to an old creaking legacy system with some added costs due to bureaucracy. You mentioned bitcoin, and some bitcoin systems do allow sub-dollar amounts to be sent. https://www.changetip.com/ popped into my mind as I read this thread.

I do love the idea of content producers being able to raise the funds for new productions and then publishing them freely. As someone who might (when I can afford it) support such ventures I would like to see a target amount though. If there is no target then I would have no way to expect when the content would get produced - if it could take years before you decide to produce that 5 minute Berm Shed Construction video that in my mind should take a few days at most of your time, then I'd be less likely to donate. IMHO a good way to keep raising above the initial goal is through 'stretch goals', like they did for https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/con-man#/

I do agree that having a fixed amount of time to raise the funds is too limiting. It also puts a lot of pressure on to do good or viral marketing, when perhaps more organic marketing might be more appropriate for the target audience.

I added today's podcast to patreon. I also updated the description a bit. I suppose I should add some more stuff to the description page?

The landing page is looking way better when I checked it this time I must say. As to the podcast, right now it is listing a bunch of Cassie's information at the start since it looks like it pulled from the page and auto-filled the data. I would probably rewrite the description on it to offer a small teaser sentence or two that draws people into clicking.

I'm sure some would look at $22 and think 'why bother', but if you start to feel discouraged at some point, remember that Patreon is a snowball. Each new item rolls it a little further down the hill. More people will sign on as they see more and more content linking to your efforts. I am sure the numbers will continue to rise and it won't be long before you are breaking $100 per artifact.

It is progressing very nicely!

As to the podcast, right now it is listing a bunch of Cassie's information at the start since it looks like it pulled from the page and auto-filled the data. I would probably rewrite the description on it to offer a small teaser sentence or two that draws people into clicking.

I suppose I could try to copy and paste the description - but that seems wonky. I guess at this point, I like the idea that the main podcast page is the permies thread. So copy and paste wouldn't be a good idea.

Then comes the idea of writing a few sentences .... I guess I feel like that is the best thing to do. But I look at the stuff you wrote and think "where do I trim?" And then I start to get the feeling of "does anybody actually read this?" Anybody know where this will appear?

remember that Patreon is a snowball.

Yeah, that's what I'm thinking.

Okay, I added a wee bit of a description.

Hello!

Paul, I've been a passing fan of yours ever since I saw your 2013 Keynote on YouTube and the video concerning CFLs. I'd like to thank you and everyone involved here (for that matter, involved in Permaculture in its entirety) for bringing these new and interesting ideas out to the world.

I've been a user of Patreon for a little while. You've probably been told this before, and I just hadn't been able to find the conversation/thread about it, but I want you to know that Patreon can be used in a more "passive" sense than feeling the need to satisfy an audience, even though some people do it that way.

People such as myself who may not be currently involved, but still want to donate money to what they see is a good cause, would be happy just giving a "tip" to whatever it is they like on the internet. Patreon is no different. It is essentially a donation box, a hat on the floor a street musician uses to collect some loose change. Of course, Patreon is a much bigger hat and thus could make you a lot more money than a local street.

But my point is this: nobody who is freely giving their money away should feel like they are owed a service. I give somewhere between $15-$20 a month in total to all kinds of stuff on Patreon just because I like that stuff. I'm not expecting anything in return. And I think that's how it should be.

Should you decide to stop doing Permaculture entirely and stop making videos on YouTube, I will be sad and maybe stop giving you the dollar-a-month I just Pledged But I'm not about to raise hell about it. You do what you want with your life, and if I think what you're doing should be funded I'll gladly pitch in. I'm not even expecting a "thank you", even though it would be nice


P.S. - if people got mad that I stopped producing content on Patreon, I'd simply tell them, "okay, then stop giving me money and go away!" I don't understand the entitlement complex of some of these people.
P.S.S. - It may be good to drum up some advertising about your Patreon Page on places like Facebook and YouTube. Your current turnout can be a lot better!

https://www.patreon.com/paulwheaton
https://www.facebook.com/PaulWheatonFans/
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCsakAmIBPWSKOQrnuOXIsjA (I think with enough Subscribers you can get a more unique URL for your channel, btw)

I am currently avoiding a lot of things and putting a lot of attention toward finishing the dvds.

Due to my affliction, a huge amount of my income streams have dried up. Which makes sense: I was working some really long hours to keep cash flowing for lots and lots of projects. And I think it was my attempt at working even harder than way too hard which led to my being stuck in bed for three months (I still have to spends several hours a day awake and in bed).

I have been thinking a lot about what I want to do vs. what I need to do to bring in more coin. I would like to get back into lots of small youtube videos and podcasts. And I've seen some patreon pages with lots of coin per artifact ...

So once I am done with these DVDs I think I am going to shift my focus back to making videos and podcasts.

I kinda like the idea that people that like my podcasts could support one patreon, and the people that like my videos could support a different one. And people that like both could support both. Is that possible?

I for one get a lot out of podcasts that I can audit while working. My preferred way of getting new ideas. So more podcasts is good news to me!