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bob day wrote:...lets say it was finally announced that scientists have been hiding the studies that prove conclusively that dairy and meat cause cancer, and we decided that we needed to find a way out of this seeming death sentence for the planet.
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bob day wrote:...as permaculturists we have enough tools at our disposal to solve the challenge of creating a permaculture system without the need to eat meat
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Dan Boone wrote:I would like guineas or chickens if only to eat all the ticks and to convert weeds into manure. But without eating meat or eggs, the cost of keeping them (especially infrastructure to protect them) is too high.
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Cj Verde wrote:You could sell the eggs. I assume you wouldn't want to slaughter them but when the time comes that you need to cull you could offer a really good deal for people to come and harvest their own chickens or guineas.
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bob day wrote:if you have a link for the source of them kidnapping the goat i'd love to see it, i've heard Bills rants and laugh along with him.
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bob day wrote:
in retrospect it's starting to look like a bit of a joke, like you said, there are plenty of sources of vegetarian protein that can be developed in a permaculture way, and we don't have to eat the animals who manage marginal grasslands
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bob day wrote:There are vegans and then there are animal rights people, and the two don't always coincide, I can be vegan and still kill a raccoon that's after my guineas (what else am i going to do? waste fuel, time and energy to take a now trapwise raccoon to become somebody else's problem?
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bob day wrote:the idea of tolerance of other choices was the point of this post, and i was asking if anyone else had seen or heard the comment from Joel about how by eating meat he was helping reverse desertification and all the veges were not doing their part
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bob day wrote:...and i gather from the way you phrased your last response that Joel did in fact throw a couple rocks at people who don't eat meat?
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Matu Collins wrote:
Being a raw vegan in New England in the winter involves a lot of energy usage!
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bob day wrote:i was looking at life spans of native peoples, the intuit did not do that well
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bob day wrote:...despite substandard gear so i personally believe there are ways to endure cold climates without meat,...
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Cj Verde wrote:
bob day wrote:...despite substandard gear so i personally believe there are ways to endure cold climates without meat,...
The other thing is really, really cold weather seems to require cloths made of animals. Again, I can't remember the exact link but it was a documentary about a journey to ....Siberia, I think, and at a certain point the guides or people the journalist was interviewing told the guy to ditch his fancy, expensive gear and use their traditional clothing and he said it was much better. Maybe it was Laplanders. Himalayas? All I remember were these funky tall furry boots.
I do believe you were fine on walnuts and raisins but I'm hard pressed to think of a traditional cold climate culture that doesn't rely strongly on meat.
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