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Well, I have been planning for a few years now, and we are making progress. This thread will serve us as a place to record our journey towards becoming self sufficient in Kentucky. We will post questions and ask for your feedback here. I will ask for your help in choosing property to purchase, and choosing how to setup the land.

My wife and I are 28 and 33 years old, she being the senior to me. We have two young boys (1.5 and 4). I grew up in Louisville KY and she in the midwest, mostly around Broken Arrow OK. We lived in Owasso area for 5 years. We were in debt up to our eyeballs making no progress and implemented a plan to become self sustainable and pay off all our debts.

Luckily, we are staying in Mt. Washington with my folks rent free. My house in the Owasso area is being rented with a lease to own contract.

We are now Medical debt free, almost credit card debt free, but still have school loans. No other debt. Cars are paid for.

Now we are putting away $1000-$1500 a month toward this land purchase. We will continue to live with my folks for 1-2 years.

My co-worker is a new permie like myself and has expressed interest in going in on the land with us to create a "for-profit" permaculture farm.

We think we can achieve this in 10 years, or less hopefully.

So, why don't you other Kentuckians join us in helping us further the permaculture movement by contacting me in this thread. Let me know if you want to get involved in the process and design of this farm. We have no set plan yet, but right now we are focusing on saving for the land and finding the right land in the right location for us. We are looking on the rural east/ south east side of Louisville between there and Lexington, anywhere from the Ohio River south to Bardstown. Please keep an eye out for us if you see anything for sale. We are not against moving across the river into Indiana.

Okay, does anyone here have any experience with Kentucky or Southern Indiana and building code law/enforcement?
 
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My family is right down the road from you. Made this account just to reply. PMing you.
 
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Shane in Kentucky wrote:My family is right down the road from you. Made this account just to reply. PMing you.



Shane I sent you a message to your gmail account. Thanks for responding.
 
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Greetings from Muhlenberg County . An uneducated guess would lead me to suggest looking at land west of Lousiville and north of Leitchfiield . You may find some better land deals and still have access to the hipper marketplace between Louisville and Lexington . There is a lot of regentrification around Bardstown along with expensive horse farms . This has made that square you speak of more expensive than the rest of the state . Good Hunting !
 
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Codes in Ky is all up to the county. I live just a couple miles from Jackson co. that has no codes. Madison co. has terrible codes, and codes department!If I could turn back time I would of have been a couple more miles down the road.
 
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wayne stephen wrote:Greetings from Muhlenberg County . An uneducated guess would lead me to suggest looking at land west of Lousiville and north of Leitchfiield . You may find some better land deals and still have access to the hipper marketplace between Louisville and Lexington . There is a lot of regentrification around Bardstown along with expensive horse farms . This has made that square you speak of more expensive than the rest of the state . Good Hunting !



Wayne, that is very true. I am finding land for sale everywhere, but Bardstown area is pricey. This is going to take a lot of research and development. My problem is I have a family to support and debts to pay off. So living in the middle of nowhere isn't a very good option for a number of reasons. I need to have quick access to a job. I spend some time traveling back and forth a little over an hour each way working for Remington Arms and to be honest it sucked. Now I am 15 minutes from work and I save big bucks on gas!

I think a strategy is starting to develop. I have one guy at work interested and telling me he is serious about starting a for profit farm with me. He is a really skilled, smart individual and he has kids the same ages as mine. We may pursue this avenue if we can all come to agreement on responsibilities, finances etc. I think the idea is to share tools and labor, but not be right next door to one another. We want our individual space and place to do our own things, but we recognize the advantages to working together.

My parents, who are not at all interested in doing off grid or sustainable anything want to eventually sell their home and live on some land with us. And I want them to. They are great people. So I have to weigh that in as well. They won't want to be too far from modern luxury. My mom loves Bardstown. My dad is a power plant manager.....yes I know.....I am pretty OPPOSITE from him in many ways. He produces pollution, and I am trying to figure ways to not pollute. I have worked at the power plant, and may have to again to realize the permaculture dreams I have. Maybe not, but we'll see.
 
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Joseph Fields wrote:Codes in Ky is all up to the county. I live just a couple miles from Jackson co. that has no codes. Madison co. has terrible codes, and codes department!If I could turn back time I would of have been a couple more miles down the road.



Joseph, sounds like I need to narrow down a few counties and call the clerks office and speak with code enforcement personnel on what is legal and what is not. Heck, I might just make a list of all possible counties, call all the clerks offices and narrow it down that way!
 
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Ray, We're establishing a permaculture homestead (and hopefully multiple streams of income off the land in the future). We've got 16.5 acres in Mercer County (Harrodsburg Area) and the land here is fairly affordable, the code enforcement people scarce and the codes while present are largely ignored if you have more than 10 acres and are zoned agricultural. Good luck on your adventure, I'd love to get in touch once you're down here. We are building a timber frame and strawbale home which we will be chronicling here on permies as we go; right now we've broken ground and are getting ready to set footers. Cheers.

Adam
 
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Adam Chisholm wrote:Ray, We're establishing a permaculture homestead (and hopefully multiple streams of income off the land in the future). We've got 16.5 acres in Mercer County (Harrodsburg Area) and the land here is fairly affordable, the code enforcement people scarce and the codes while present are largely ignored if you have more than 10 acres and are zoned agricultural. Good luck on your adventure, I'd love to get in touch once you're down here. We are building a timber frame and strawbale home which we will be chronicling here on permies as we go; right now we've broken ground and are getting ready to set footers. Cheers.

Adam



Adam, it is good to hear that. Mercer county was on my short list. My wife and I have even visited Harrodsburg to see what it was like. I have job possibilities with KU/LGE at the power plant. I have a hard time reconciling worker at a power plant and doing permaculture though. We like Mercer county and are aware of land prices there. I was not aware that code enforcement was relaxed. Thanks for that bit of information!
 
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So, why don't you other Kentuckians join us in helping us further the permaculture movement by contacting me in this thread. Let me know if you want to get involved in the process and design of this farm. We have no set plan yet, right now we are focusing on saving for the land and finding the right land in the right location for us. We are looking on the rural east/ south east side of Louisville between there and Lexington, anywhere from the Ohio River south to Bardstown. Please keep an eye out for us if you see anything for sale. We are not against moving across the river into Indiana.



Anderson, Franklin, and Shelby...don't forget about them! Scott and Owen are probably too far north for you and your wife, but you can get a good amount of land for your money there.

My husband and I are empty-nesters and building our new permaculture farm, too. I'm envisioning a culture of collaboration among newbie farmers and hoping to find others willing to engage in some productive discussions. We're in northern Scott County - within a respectable collaborative radius, for sure.
 
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Well, here we are over a year since I first posted. We have finally found a nice piece of land in Cox's Creek KY. Its sort of between Mt. Washington and Bardstown. 6 acres. 250 yards of creek frontage on cox's creek. Currently being mono cropped in soy. Has a house that needs either bulldozing or to be gutted and rehabed. Has a nice 45' x 45' tobacco barn. Flat as a pancake. Few trees.

It'll be another year in the making to rehab the house and get the barn fixed up. We will be focusing on getting those structures in place and habitable. 5.5 acres is current in soy, so cover crops and wild flowers will be the scene until we have time to put in the swales and do a proper design layout.

If any of you guys have any tips and tricks for getting started let me know!

We are so excited!!
 
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I saw your post when researching permiculture in Kentucky.  I live in Nashville, but grew up in Taylorsville and I am beginning to start plans to work on the land I grew up on an established a Pirmaculture situation. I'm interested in getting together with you when the opportunity arises .
 
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Shannon Lawson wrote: I saw your post when researching permiculture in Kentucky.  I live in Nashville, but grew up in Taylorsville and I am beginning to start plans to work on the land I grew up on an established a Pirmaculture situation. I'm interested in getting together with you when the opportunity arises .



Well, its been right at a year since I last posted. Shannon, turns out we found a piece of land we liked better than the one in Coxs Creek, wanna guess where? Taylorsville! Five acres, a fish pond, two pole barns and a really nice double wide. Im adding onto the pole barn in two weeks. Unfortunately this past year and a half has been rough. I haven't had the time to focus on permaculture. I lost my big sister to cancer last year, and my father just passed from a heart attack this past March. But things are getting slowly better. My widowed mother is trying to buy the five acres next door to me. So we will have a ten acre operation. The other neighbor wants to sell her five acres too...so Shannon...maybe you can jump on it? And we have have a 15acre two family operation?  Ray.cecil.3@gmail.com for more info. Pm me there.
 
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We are about to buy property in Kentucky and plan to practice permaculture on it, also.  We won't be that close to you (I'm looking a little farther south and/or east for the most part -- will be better able to tell you where we will be in about three weeks or so), but maybe we can stay in touch and share ideas.

Kathleen
 
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Adam Chisholm wrote:Ray, We're establishing a permaculture homestead (and hopefully multiple streams of income off the land in the future).  We've got 16.5 acres in Mercer County (Harrodsburg Area) and the land here is fairly affordable, the code enforcement people scarce and the codes while present are largely ignored if you have more than 10 acres and are zoned agricultural.  Good luck on your adventure, I'd love to get in touch once you're down here.  We are building a timber frame and strawbale home which we will be chronicling here on permies as we go; right now we've broken ground and are getting ready to set footers.  Cheers.

Adam



Did you ever get that strawbale/timber frame home built?
 
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