Prunus insititia includes St. Julien damson, bullace, and mirabelle
"My father planted an Itaian Prune Plum tree around 1960. The tree was cut down after almost 50 years of production. The St Julien rootstock lives on. I at first thought this tree was a green gage. Thanks to a posting by the late Lon Rombough on the Home Orchard Society website, I know am certain this is a St. Julien rootstock. The fruit is good on its own. Lon says it is good dried. An improved version is called White Bullace." http://edible.wikidot.com/edible-plant:177
Bout all I could find about it . . . How does it taste?
posted 6 years ago
The first one I ate was a revelation. I wasn't sure if I liked it or not. It is just so different from any plum I have experienced before. All that new information took me a moment to process. Once I got my mouth around another I quickly decided that they are really something special. They are sweet and rich with a dense texture and complex flavors. The texture reminds me of a Concord grape in a way but that's really not it. Something new. And I love the emerald green flesh! Quite delightful...
Casimir did you grow those plums? What can you you tell us about how you grew them? Or where did you find them?
--where do you live approximately
--did you plant the original tree, is this a rootstock that was allowed to grow, how many years did the St Julien take to bear fruit?
--when did they bloom especially compared to your other trees, did you have another European plum as a pollinator?
--when was the harvest, at what point was the flavor best?
I have a tree with a failed scion and I am probably going to try growing out the St Julien rootstock but as you say it's hard to find information, hoping you have some info from your own experience or whoever grew those
Whoa! These plums are green? And ready to eat? You might have to save seeds to share! Very interesting, please tell us more.
posted 5 years ago
The discovery of the St. Julien tree was a happy synchronicity. While foraging for fruit and nuts (both to eat, and more importantly, to aquire novel genetic material for my garden) I stopped to admire an ornamental crab across the street from a plum tree I was picking. That's when I noticed a little tree that was dropping small green fruit from a couple of loaded branches.
It turns out that the owner of the house had cut down an Italian prune plum that they felt was to big for the yard. It had then regrown from the roots. She actually thought it was the same prune plum she had cut down. She didn't know what I was talking about and was surprised when I showed her the green fruits.
I believe it to be the first year fruiting but I don't know how long ago she cut the tree. When I was looking for ground fall to collect the seeds all I saw was Italian prune pits from years past!
I think it was mid September-ish when I discovered the tree. The fruits were mostly perfect at the time.
posted 5 years ago
I live in N.Idaho by the way.
posted 5 years ago
I saved every seed I could find! Discovering this plum opened my eyes a little and now I am very interested in the Gage's and Mirabelles as well as other less well known varieties such as Damsons, Sloes, and Myrobalans.
posted 5 years ago
I love this forum! There are things here that you can't find anywhere else. I have never heard of these plums, these are so interesting! I am glad you found them, you will have to keep us posted on how they grow and produce!
St.Julien is commonly available as rootstock for the prunus family. In fact I grafted a bunch of them to various other plums and peaches just this spring. Looks like it would be worth leaving one of them to grow as is.
They look like what we in the UK call Greengages to me.
Cant buy them fully ripe in the fruit market as they dont keep well. But when fully ripe on the tree they are so sweet. They are probably my favorite fruit period, certainly the king of prunus.
Hi, I've just discovered this forum while searching for the root stock plum that our Mirabelle plums must have been grafted upon. So it appears they are St. Julien, I had thought they were a gage and really haven't used them as our Mirabelles produce so well. This year with all that's happening in the world, and the St Juliens produced an exceptionally heavy crop, I decided not to let the foxes, skunks, deer and birds have them all!
I am finding them a bit tart and am going to try various methods of harvest, from juice and sauce to freezing them for plum cakes. I saw drying was mentioned as well. Thank you for all the information so far : ))
I haven't looked to see if I can post pictures of our trees and fruit.
As a non-native speaker of English I was not familiar with greengages or St. Juliens plum, so I looked them up.
Apparently greengages ar what we called Reineclaudes. I love them, you normally can't buy them in the supermarket. We had one little tree that produced maybe 6 fruits in all the years. It was too wet and cold for the tree, alas.
I have learned that St. Juliens plum are often used as a base for crafted trees in Germany as well.
There are three varieties:
St. Julien „A“
quite productive, will not produce "creepers" (stolons?)
St. Julien „INRA2“ / „655/2“
high productivity, long life-span, will produce creepers
St. Julien „Pixy“
reduced growth, early and high productivity with smaller fruits, prone to frost damage
I don't think the St. Juliens plum is common here. We have local varietes in yellow, red and dark blue.
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