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The dirt on glass bottle walls

 
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Dale Hodgins wrote:About 15 years ago, I demolished the Glass Castle and mini golf. This touristy failure, was a blight on the landscape of Duncan, British Columbia. Bottles can look nice, in moderation. This place consumed years of the builder's life, in a fruitless effort to create a tourist attraction. The home was destroyed and the business never thrived. A decade later, I finally gave up on selling antique bottles. Only about 100 of several thousand, were sold. They went to the recycling depot.



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Kari, I would like to know how your retaining walls have held up over time.  Is this forum still active???
 
                            
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I am also interested in building a retaining wall and just starting my research.
 
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Sandra Ellane wrote:Hi there,

I’ve been toying with ideas about bottle walls. There’s quite a few websites that have photos of various walls. (here’s a nice one: http://inspirationgreen.com/glassbottlewalls.html )

I’ve tried to find sites that discuss the properties of these walls- insulative properties, thermal mass, strength, R-values, yada yada and etc. This site comes the closest: http://www.greenhomebuilding.com/QandA/recycle/bottles.htm. ;

I know this is a pretty broad topic and could go in many directions, but I’d like to start a thread so others can offer input, perhaps sharing any experimental info you’ve done on your walls.

A thought that comes to mind: Most of the walls I’ve seen are built with the bottles laid perpendicular to the wall and the open end of the bottle facing inside the structure. It seems like this would eliminate the possibility of using those bottles as thermal mass/storage. Wouldn’t it better to close them?

Also thinking of using them in conjunction with a rocket mass heater or woodstove, but then I started thinking about how much heat the bottles can withstand. It’d be terrible if they shattered.

Just some things to tuck in the back of mind for mulling. Thanks for any input!

Sandra



I'm so glad you posted this question thanks

it's exactly what I've been looking for. I don't want to be spending lots of time cutting bottles I want to match bottles up with jars.
I think the finished result will be more more interesting and I like the idea of having a mix of bottles on their ends and on their sides.
lots to be reading tonight...

I'm making a window rather than a whole wall. it's set into a prefab concrete wall section.

I'm building my window frame and constructing the bottles and cob on a table first... then hoisting it into the wall afterwards...
... because it's winter and I need it for my living room so I want it ready to add, before I cut the hole in the wall.

which then made me think.. if it's successful, it might be a way of making a bit of money!

"ready-made bottle windows in frames"

we'll see how it looks if its good enough!👣
 
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I would still like to see a standardized bottle brick like the Heineken WOLO but even plastic square ones would be cool.
 In areas of conflict walls made of plastic bottles filled with sand have been effective in preventing small arms fire from penetrating a wall. Not that we will ever have to have that feature as an important selling point in the US I hope.
Using a sand filled plastic bottle and pinning to a lower course could stabilize a wall much like pinning straw bales in wall construction. Not nearly as pretty as a glass wall but perhaps an option for a stucco wall.
 
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My thought on seeing this post is maybe we are thinking of it wrong.  What if cut the bottles and then heated the bottoms enough to fuse them rim to rim.  We only need enough plasticity for the glass to stick to itself and not enough to form a new bottle.  And while the whole bottle would have to get very hot the final bit of heat could be concentrated at the rim saving a tiny bit more power.  This way you would end up with a sealed glass tube.  But because of all the heat they apply it would be at a strong vacuum because the air has gotten very hot and expanded so there would be almost none inside the tube.  This is how the vacuum insulated solar collector tubes are pulled to vacuum.  Now we have real insulation.  If both bottles had 4" of usable length that tube would be 8 inches long so the thermal bridging path would be 8 inches long and if you got a good weld those bottle would hold vacuum for decades to centuries.  Plus if you got a bit of squeeze out at the fusion seam it would serve to anchor the bottles in the wall.  Permies has played with the solar glass melting oven so we know it can get this hot and since full melt is not required it might take less heat.  Just need to reach fusion heat at the rims figuring you are going to apply pressure to help force the melts together.  Likely you would end up with a solar heater doing the first say 2/3 of heating the bottles and the finishing bit done with some sort of gas burner so the heat could be concentrated at the rims.  And it should make the glass tubes incredibly strong as the glass would be under natural compression always.
 
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Air acts as an insulator. You want insulation on the outside, thermal mass on the inside. (Yes, this is the reverse of brick houses in the U.S. and U.K., which are built that way for historic and cultural reasons.)

Look up the Zaporizhia home in YouTube. The owner and his father sealed the bottles with cork (cork side facing the interior) before creating the wall.

He says the house is warm in the winter and cool in the summer.

Note: The house also uses a masonry heater, which is radiant, highly efficient, and common in Northern- and Eastern Europe. Also, in the article in the link I’ve posted at the bottom of this comment, it’s mentioned that only thick bottles were used—newer bottles are thinner and not suitable for construction.

The owner says he does not depend on heating services at all, which means the masonry heater and the glass bottle wall are sufficient during an eastern Ukrainian winter.

The house is attractive, too.

Here is the YouTube link:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RTCWAEAi_3A

Here is an article about the house:
https://animatrade.ru/en/neobychnyi-dom-iz-butylok-v-zaporozhskoi-oblasti-10-foto-kak/
 
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Has anyone looked at pulling the bottles to vacuum and sealing them with a melted on glass plug?  Heat the whole bottle really hot to drive air and moisture out.  Push a plug against the neck and heat right at the joint until the glass fuses.  Then allow the bottle to cool starting with the weld are while applying slight heat else where till the glass has gel enough to hold vacuum.  This is basically how they fuse the 2 glass tubes together for evacuated tube solar collectors.  For steel mugs etc they put a bunch of mugs in a vacuum chamber with small hole thru to between the layers, set a small glass ball over the hole, pull it to vacuum, then heat it till the ball melts enough to plug the hole and then cool slowly.  Test for conduction by heating the inside and feeling outside and rework any that fail.   So it might look stacking a whole bunch of bottles vertically with glass plugs over the neck and a steel plate and another bottle layer.  Heat the whole thing just right and pull and cool.  Now for the home DYIer I know I can't do a big vacuum chamber that will take that much heat safely.  But I will bet I can do a single column of bottles inside heavy wall pipe.  Stand it vertically inside a chimney to heat.  Now ideally find a way to heat the individually separator plates more than the pipe slightly more than the pipe.  Still not sure quite how but I think that is where to start.
 
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We used the method of cutting the necks off the bottles and taping two ends together. Also that way allows you to get Taylor the size of them to fit your desired wall thickness. It's a shame I don't seem to have to option to add a photo. We uses a tile cutter with the water sprayer. I would highly recommend it for the amount of light you get in. You can also mix different colour bottles to create different colours.
 
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Judy Heald wrote:We used the method of cutting the necks off the bottles and taping two ends together. Also that way allows you to get Taylor the size of them to fit your desired wall thickness. It's a shame I don't seem to have to option to add a photo. We uses a tile cutter with the water sprayer. I would highly recommend it for the amount of light you get in. You can also mix different colour bottles to create different colours.

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Judy, your cob walls are beautiful.  I love the bottle cutout peepholes.
 
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