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Rocket Tandoor Oven!

 
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Hey Nathan, what ratio of clay:sand:grog did you end up using for clay pot?
 
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Hi Chan,

I went with 2 parts fireclay: 1 part sand: 1 part medium grog. I also added some sifted wood ash, hair clippings (from the barber), and dried grass.

I'm happy to report I finally got this thing built enough to test fire it just yesterday!

The J tube was easy to light and had good draw right off the bat. To my surprise, the heat was drawing up through the clay pot, but it wasn't extremely hot coming out. I was able to stick my hand inside the oven without burning myself. The barrel of course got extremely hot right away, so once I insulate it the oven should be much hotter. Using just the J tube, the oven seemed to hover around 200 -250 F. So using the J tube alone, I think this would make an excellent smoker. It also holds the heat for quite a while after the fire goes out.

Today I decided to try lighting a fire inside the clay pot to see if I could achieve higher temps. I discovered that, with the J tube firing, any fire or coal inside the pot seemed to smolder and not stay lit. This is because the gasses have no oxygen once they've gone through the J. So instead I started a fire inside the clay pot without lighting the J tube. This worked great! The J tube unlit just acted like an air intake. The fire got raging, the temps reached 650 very quickly, eventually settling to about 400 and stayed their for quite a while. The oven maintained heat for a long time, slowly dropping, once I put the cap on top of the lid. Of course, this method is not clean like a rocket! There is smoke.

So it seems these are the 2 ways of using this thing. I think this design has many advantages. One nice thing is there's not much cutting of metal, only a few basic cuts that are pretty easy. Also, I cleaned it out after the first couple firings and it was so easy! The shop-vac tube goes right into the hole in the bottom of the clay pot and sucks everything out, and same with the J tube.

I can't wait to do some cooking in here, and get the insulation/brick surround in place! Thanks everyone for the support!
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I haven't read the whole thread but the point of having a fire inside the middle of the tandor floor is to send radiant heat in all directions to the surface of the tandor so that you can cook naan or whatever on the walls of the tandor.  If you feed heat in from a side then the heat will not be directed symmetrically to the walls making cooking interesting!
 
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Congratulations Nathan on a successful blast off! Seeing your stove all together and running is a delight. Appreciate your documentation and descriptions for others to learn from. Keep it up!
 
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Thank you Gerry! I appreciate all the support along the way.
 
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Hey everyone! Nathans Rocket Tandoor Oven build made a guest star appearance on Matt Walkers Stove chat this morning!
Matt really liked the uniqueness of the build and appreciated the way in which a rocket core could be used.
If you missed the show, Matt usually posts them on his You Tube channel the next day. Look for Stove Chat 15
Great job Nathan!
 
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Wow, super excited to hear that Gerry! Thanks! I'm part-way through the episode now.
I consulted with Matt before starting this and he gave me a few pointers. I'd love to build one of his cookstoves someday.
 
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Hey Folks,

Loved Nathan's Design. Although personally I would have have designed the J-Tube part differently because of my experience with tandoors. I would keep the feed tube the same instead of having the the top of the J-tube go into the top of the barrel. I would have made the barrel itself a part of the J-tube. This would result in the heat from the fire warming the clay walls of the tandoor.

In ancient history tandoors were just holes in the ground. I used this concept to build one in my backyard.

Here's a step-by-step account of how I made a tandoor in my background:

1. Location Scouting: I meticulously scouted the perfect spot in my backyard that met safety guidelines by keeping a safe distance from any flammable objects or structures. Safety first, always!

2. Excavating the Pit: With precision, I dug a pit that would snugly accommodate the metal drum. A depth of 2-3 feet was just right for the tandoor's size.

3. Securing the Metal Drum: The metal drum found its home in the pit, carefully placed to maintain stability and levelness – the heart and soul of the tandoor!

4. Crafting the Inner Wall: Using clay, I skillfully constructed the tandoor's inner wall, leaving a strategic gap between it and the metal drum. This gap was pivotal for the tandoor's exceptional performance.

5. Thermal Insulation with Sand: To prevent excessive heat transfer, I filled the gap between the inner wall and the drum with sand. A simple yet effective thermal insulator.

6. Bringing Forth the Outer Wall: Continuing the design from the inner wall, I assembled the outer wall using my chosen material. The crowning touch was leaving an opening at the top, forming the tandoor's mouth.

7. Sculpting the Top Opening: The tandoor's top was artistically shaped to create a beautifully rounded opening – ensuring the aesthetics matched the functionality.

8. Allowing Time for Drying: With patience, I let the entire structure air dry for several days. This crucial step ensured the clay solidified perfectly, giving the tandoor a strong foundation for its culinary adventures.

For those who crave the unique tandoor flavor but prefer a more portable option, I stumbled upon some awesome choices from https://sumachaytandoors.com/

If you're curious about the nitty-gritty details, feel free to message me or reply to his post

Cheers,
Kal
 
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Hi Kal,

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