Robert Ray wrote:Are there any acceptable taxes?
What do you mean by freedom?
What is an acceptable cost, monetary or other payment for freedom?
Can a society have to much freedom?
"Taxation without representation" Seems to indicate that the peoples voice was missing.
I have a tremendous problem with fees, licenses and permits. System Development Charges can easily escalate cost of construction in some areas of our county by 50 percent. Are fees, permits and licenses moral?
1) Money - do we privatize money as well? How would that work? Would that work? The government is currently the only power who can lawfully print money (and lets not start talking about the Fed at the moment... talk about ulcers...)
Yikes did you have to drag the Fed into this! I'm really unattached to the US dollar btw.
I find myself treading a line in this discussion between totally agreeing with your intent and being in extreme disagreement in how we get there. For some of it anyway. Perhaps we should focus more on the destination?
Sam Barber wrote:I am not sure about bit coin though... It looks promising but we will see what happens.
Dale Hodgins wrote:oil futures
wayne stephen wrote:
A lawyer / talk show host has been proposing an addendum added to the bottom of each piece of legislation requiring tax spending . It reads :
"I (insert name of sponsor or co-sponsor), in sponsoring this legislation, do hereby state that it is my belief that it is appropriate for the government to use its police powers to seize this money from the person who earned it, and spend it on the legislative purposes outlined in this bill, than it is to allow the person who worked for and earned this money to retain it and spend it on their own needs and the needs of their family.”
It was introduced as a bill into one states legislative session but died unmentioned .
David Livingston wrote: The eventual situation will be the end of democracy apart from a fashion contest , a series of gated rich enclaves and a wilderness for the lawless polluted uneducated masses
nancy sutton wrote: 'fiat' non-debt money has been proven to actually work very well, historically, as in US Colonial scrip, Lincoln's greenbacks, Austrian currency I can't remember now, etc. But bankers were a bit perturbed to let it continue. See "The Lost Science of Money" by Zarlenga, for starters... Stills also as previously mentioned, and others.
It sounds so right on first take, but I'd really like some real examples of the 'free markets' having actually worked anywhere, anytime.... at all!!
Landon Sunrich wrote: Perhaps we should focus more on the destination?
nancy sutton wrote:Maybe OT, but John Michael Greer's book, 'Retrotopia', is a ficitonal, post-US civil war/secession story that I enjoyed. (It's not the typical dystopian horror version.) One very interesting idea is how the different resulting areas chose different rates/styles of taxation and 'services'. I really enjoyed the book, and highly recommend it, for entertainment, and thought - provocation : )